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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #165 Jun 19, 2008 6:14 pm |
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Why? Dysons do clog. When filters/bags clog, vacuums lose suction. Even dysons. The whole dyson mantra was founded on a big myth. 4 million people buy into the dyson myth yearly. But will they continue? Look to the UK consumers for your answer. 43 percent dyson market share in 2004. 28 percent in 2007. Hello Forbes: Did you ask why? Dysons don't clog is the crux of the dyson vacuum for $500. When this claim fell apart, so did the premise for buying dyson vacuums. Ball technology instead of clogging? Give me a break. Sure some prefer to move on and forget it. That's easy and best for dyson. They don't want the bough to break and the mighty good Sir Knight to fall. What will become of the HS? Carmine D. Spend some time reading consumer reviews. One of the biggest gripes is how easily Orecks clog.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #166 Jun 19, 2008 6:33 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL: Same old same old from a former dyson user who sold his DC07, took the proceeds and bought a new DC14 from SEARS, returned it for a refund because it was unsatisfactory and bought a bagged Royal Eminence for $299. And then rags on the Royal but praises the dyson. Still has and uses the Royal! Doesn't have a dyson and won't buy another one. I don't believe anonymous negative ORECK reviews like yours. I trust my own judgment based on my personal usage and my professional experience with ORECK-s after 40 plus years in the vacuum business. I factor in those of other ORECK users who I know personally and professionally. And the positive reviews from Consumer Reports and the Rug Institute of America for ORECK. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #167 Jun 19, 2008 6:36 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL: Same old same old from a former dyson user who sold his DC07, took the proceedes and bought a DC14, returned his new DC14 because it was unsatisfactory and bought a bagged Royal Eminence for $299. I don't believe most anonymous ORECK reviews that are negative, like yours. I trust my own judgment based on my usage and professional ORECK experience and those of other ORECK users who I know personally and professionally. Carmine D.
You once referenced the forum to the Oreck site to read all the positive reviews. Duh, talk about a D A. I trust professionals to report positive on what benefits them the most, similar to the Oreck posts on the Oreck site.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #168 Jun 19, 2008 6:40 pm |
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You're right HS. It was the Rug Institute of America which recommends ORECK and has a link to its Web Site for vacuums. Not dysons tho. Not recommended and no link. Best RIA did for dyson was to use the DC07 pictured in its Web Site. I learned the story behind it and laughed. This reminded me. Inside RIA joke. Not to be shared with dyson fans. I'll share it with you off-line in a private message only if you promise not to divulge to others and buy a new dyson. So I can laugh again. Carmine D.
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #169 Jun 19, 2008 10:52 pm |
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You're right HS. It was the Rug Institute of America which recommends ORECK and has a link to its Web Site for vacuums. Not dysons tho. Not recommended and no link. Best RIA did for dyson was to use the DC07 pictured in its Web Site. I learned the story behind it and laughed. This reminded me. Inside RIA joke. Not to be shared with dyson fans. I'll share it with you off-line in a private message only if you promise not to divulge to others and buy a new dyson. So I can laugh again. Carmine D. I checked the RIA website and didn't find any reference to Oreck, or Dyson for that matter. Does this mean Oreck isn't performing like it used to? I somehow doubt it (seeing as it hasn't really changed in 40 years) but I am suspect of any institute that allows for submission of product and charges the company for testing. Can a company really be unbiased when they are accepting money from the same people they are testing? Highly unlikely. Dusty
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #170 Jun 20, 2008 6:15 am |
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Hello Dusty: ORECK probably is absent from the RIA site for the same reason it was not included in the MArch 2008 Consumer Reports edition covering vacuums. I opine that the new Deluxe series of ORECK models recently launched were too late for the CR deadline. These are probably being tested and updated to the RIA site. ORECK has long been a RIA certifed and recommended upright vacuum. Perhaps you will tell us what is the signature dyson vacuum? The greater dyson? Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #171 Jun 20, 2008 6:35 am |
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DIB: I speak for myself regardless of the consequences. Read on. Forbes fails to mention that the entire foundation on which the 5127 prototypes was built is a hoax. The claim: Dysons don't clog, so dysons don't lose suction. That's a false and untrue statement and comes right from the dyson product literature. I can't fault Forbes completely, although I do partly. The info is provided by dyson which of course prefers to remain silent on the matter. Changing the dyson mantra and moving on, as one said here in the past. But is it that simple? If words could only make it so. Witness now: The latest and greatest dysons and the filter maintenance needs. Why? Dysons do clog. When filters/bags clog, vacuums lose suction. Even dysons. The whole dyson mantra was founded on a big myth. 4 million people buy into the dyson myth yearly. But will they continue? Look to the UK consumers for your answer. 43 percent dyson market share in 2004. 28 percent in 2007. Hello Forbes: Did you ask why? Dysons don't clog is the crux of the dyson vacuum for $500. When this claim fell apart, so did the premise for buying dyson vacuums. Ball technology instead of clogging? Give me a break. Sure some prefer to move on and forget it. That's easy and best for dyson. They don't want the bough to break and the mighty good Sir Knight to fall. What will become of the HS? How about the consumers who plunked down $500 based on the claim? Why so many dyson refurbs? Disgruntled dyson buyers, fed a crock, who returned their $500 vacuums when they clogged and lost suction? Perhaps. Forbes: There's your next story. Get on it! You want to defend your hero Mr. Dyson? Be my guest. Don't expect me to agree. Carmine D. DIB:
This got pushed to the back after some lengthy posts by HS. I wanted to make sure you see it since you were kind enough to post the Forbes links about dyson. I subscribed to Forbes years ago. No more. Not after father Forbes passed. Steve Forbes, his son, is okay. Not a good presidential candidate and politician. But not like his Harley riding Dad. May his soul rest in peace. Any thoughts? Please tell us which dyson you consider to be the signature model. Thanks. BTW, the ubend airway joint kow towed in importance by dyson fans: Without it and in most cases it was missing and never made it out of the box, caused the DC07 not to have any suction in the tool mode. Buck item. Poor design and function. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #172 Jun 20, 2008 8:39 am |
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Can a company really be unbiased when they are accepting money from the same people they are testing? Highly unlikely.
Dusty Dusty:
Good point. Unfortunately, all companies and profesional associations and organizations have to accept fees to stay in business. It's the nature of the beast. Consumers are free to accept/reject the recommendations and certs. Ironic you are a believer and quoter of the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy cert for dysons. But not RIA? Did the organization accept a fee from dyson to test and certify? Or is it free? Maybe you can find out and tell us. Carmine D.
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #173 Jun 20, 2008 9:35 am |
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Dusty: Good point. Unfortunately, all companies and profesional associations and organizations have to accept fees to stay in business. It's the nature of the beast. Consumers are free to accept/reject the recommendations and certs. Ironic you are a believer and quoter of the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy cert for dysons. But not RIA? Did the organization accept a fee from dyson to test and certify? Or is it free? Maybe you can find out and tell us. Carmine D. I'm just a quoter for arguments sake. I take all recommendations with a grain of salt, especially Consumer Reports who claim to be completely unbiased and never receive freebies from the manufacturer. I Dusty
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mole
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Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783
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Re: Dyson, In The News...
Reply #174 Jun 20, 2008 9:50 am |
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DIB: This got pushed to the back after some lengthy posts by HS. I wanted to make sure you see it since you were kind enough to post the Forbes links about dyson. I subscribed to Forbes years ago. No more. Not after father Forbes passed. Steve Forbes, his son, is okay. Not a good presidential candidate and politician. But not like his Harley riding Dad. May his soul rest in peace. Any thoughts? Please tell us which dyson you consider to be the signature model. Thanks. BTW, the ubend airway joint kow towed in importance by dyson fans: Without it and in most cases it was missing and never made it out of the box, caused the DC07 not to have any suction in the tool mode. Buck item. Poor design and function. Carmine D. Carmine D.I.B. not going to give you an answer,because dyson can not figure out which is the greater dyson.
AFTER 16 million prototypes we still cant figure it out. But our marketing department is the best that money can buy................ MOLE
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