Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Wonder if there are any signs of a new vacuum coming out from Dyson?  I here there is some new product due to launch end of 2007 and early 2008!  Not sure what!

It's about time they launched the Dyson Digital Motor into other vacuums (not just the DC12 in Japan!).  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!

The DC14 has had a re-launch into the new colours in the UK:

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Hi DIB

Thanks for the replies!

Suppose it is unfair but his fans and followers (like me!) do expect new and exciting products from his design lab!  But then he has always said that is what Dyson is about making things work better and being different too!  I know the DDM is going to be big, it's already in the DC12 Cylinder in Japan (which is a big success) and adapted for the Dyson Airblade so it has it uses in many things!  I believe they are already working on the 3th/4th generation of this motor looking at like you said shrinking the DDM electronics!   I did wonder if the 1st vacuum in the UK with DDM would be the DC18 Slim but it was not!   I'm surprised the handle weight of the DC15 The Ball is the same as the DC18 Slim.   One of the many reason I like the slim is the fact the hose/wand is the same diameter as the DC07/DC14 and prevoius model unlike the DC15 yet both have the same motor (1200 watt!).  Also that it is lighter, I think that is the way vacuums need to go!  The hose is shorter on the DC15 too!  Maybe the DDM will feature in these new vacuums!?

I didn't see any of the Tour De France!  The DC03 Pre and Post Motor filters are the same size just different inside both being HEPA.  I wouldn't say they were small, compared to other Dyson Filters.  In fact I would say the total surface area is probably bigger!  Probably about 2 and half inches in diameter and about 5 inches in height, each.  Not sure of the exact size of both will try and find out! When the DC03 was launched it had the Big filter surface of any Dyson and I think at the time it was launched any other vac on the UK market (probably still does to an extent today!).  The Post Motor filter was also designed to disfuss the air leaving the machine.  It amazes me it is still available on Dyson's UK line up and still in some UK shops after all this time!  It is light to use, the only Dyson upright to lie flat on the floor and go under low furniture and can be hung on the wall for compact storage!  I believe it was a very popular Dyson model which is probably why it is still available.  I thought once the slim was launched the DC03 would go but not yet, it still has advantages over the DC18 Slim!

Thanks for the info on inventions. I'm no vac dealer myself.  I've always had an interest in vacuums and especially since James Dyson came about.  His investions are an inspuration to many people!  So you have invented some widgets then? And your family too, cool!  It must be nice to see though inventions at large! I've always had an interest in design/inventions, and have followed James Dyson since the first DC01 came out and continue to!  He is just different to the normal that is one of the many things I like about him and his inventions!

I know his Dual Cyclone patent has ran out but I thought the Root Cyclone patent had a few years left!?  But so many are copying that now and you don't see Dyson acting on it!  Well you don't hear about it! Probably he has a new cyclone system in the wings to replace both Dual, Root and US Level 3 Root!  I was surprised he didn't use the new Level 3 Root Cyclone in a new version of the DC14 for the UK!?

I've only got to know about Sebo through a family members who say they are very good!  I know they have a bag but that aside for a minute they do use technology and incorporate it into their models. Apart from Dyson most if not all UK vacuums are cheap plastic looking things with no real thought gone intot them.  Sebo looks like they have thought about the machine like Dyson does!  I've not seen in the UK any other vac that uses computer controlled height adjustment in an Upright that senses the floor type and adjusts the cleaning head for you to suit giving optimium cleaing, or shuts off the machine if a blockage appears if the users carries on using it to protect the motor/belt!  

Interesting reading on Sebo V Dyson, thanks for th link.  Dyson needs to come out with a commercial range, I thought he would have replaced the ConstantMax (DC04) in the UK with a DC07/DC14 version by now! 

I do hope these new vacuums of Dyson are different and bring new technologies to the floor care market.  I do beleive once his DDM is introduced throught out the whole Dyson Vacuum Range Globally he will be onto another winner.  One thing they must be greener to use than current motors!?

Take care

DC18

P.S. Hope you enjoyed the other photos/links to Dyson Copies!?

Hello DIB

Your more than welcome.  Many thnaks for the links to the James Dyson Lectures.  I enjoyed watching and listening to them!   DDM will be hugh for Dyson once it goes 'large' in more Dyson products. They adapted I believe for the Airblade!  From the lectures they are on version 2 and 3 of it!  I wonder if one of the 8 new vacuums is robotic and if all 8 will feature the DDM!?  About a month back a read some press articles that some launches will take place later this year and early next year!  Not sure what, well must be some vacuum cleaners if they re planning 8 models globally!!

The DC12 was rumoured to be coming here in the UK but has yet to make it!  It's a ideal updated version of the DC05 light and small cylinder (canister) cleaner which would be good in the UK.  It seems light, samll storage yet powerful vacuums seems to be the latest craze!!

Thanks again for the links very interesting.

Thanks

DC18

If correct, 8 upcoming new vacuum cleaner launches by Dyson is excessive, even by their standards. Here’s some of my predictions…

1) DC12 / (Baby?)
Dyson’s tiny canister has done well in the Japan - even at a high price, as the Japanese demand for small, hi-tech, UK-designed goods has proven consistent. It’s very likely it’ll be launched in the western markets soon, especially if they’ve evolved the Dyson Digital Motor to bring the component cost down. DC12 was even shown (then pulled) on UK electrical websites at the start of the year. I personally don’t have a Dyson cleaner at the moment, I’m waiting for this one – it would suit my (apartment) needs to a tee!

2) DC17 (Level 3 Root Cyclone)
Currently only sold in the US market, presumably as a desire to achieve maximum scores with the independent consumer tests. It’s quite likely it’ll be available in other markets at some point soon, if the new separation technology has been well proven so far.

3) Dyson ‘Robot’ cleaner
I’d like to think that with 8 machines rumoured to launch, this would be at least one of them. The patent filings for the mains cable tracking method sounds plausible. It they did go with this, they would likely also add a battery-powered version too, for folks that have money to burn on Lition-ion cells.

4) Dyson ‘KnuckleDuster’
KnuckleDuster is a new trademark that Dyson have applied for earlier this year:-

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-journal/t-tmj/journals/6680/domestic/2447617.html

My guess would be that it’s either a cleaning tool accessory or more likely a follow up to the DC16 handheld cleaner. Dyson have likely recognised the importance of having a new, lower priced item each year for the x-mas gift buying session.

5) Dyson ‘SonicHead’
A few patents filed for this technology which uses ultra-sonic waves instead of a brush bar to dislodge the carpet pile.

6) Commercial Dyson (ConstantMAX)
The ConstantMax commercial cleaner has been discontinued for a while now. The commercial cleaning sector is a huge market currently exploited by their competitors. You can’t help but think that they’d want to stir this up at some point in the future.

Hi M00seUK

Good predictions!  8 new vacuums sounds excessive but then again Dyson is a growing company globally.  I take it the 8 are acroos different markets! Plus other projects in the pipeline like the return at some point of the washing machine!  They have launch 5 or 6 not long ago...DC16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and DC21, although 8 in one go is excessive!  I'm hoping the DDM will feature in a few of them, and hopfully like you say the DC12 will comer over here, well a newer version of it!   The commercial market is an area I can't understand why Dyson has not launched a replacement for the DC04 ConstantMax, but then again the DDM could feature in a future Commercial product after the newer versions are complete using smaller electronics!  The ‘KnuckleDuster’ sounds interesting!  Will the Level 3 Root Cyclone feature in any of these new models or is there a new Dyson cyclonic system in the pipeline due to on going projects into cyclonic technology! 

With vacuums becoming smaller and lighter (which seems to be the craze in some markets!) Dyson needs to look at making his uprights more flexible and adaptable with the DC18 Slim going towards thoughs area's.

DC18

In one sense, the digital motor could be good for a commercial cleaner, as it would potentially give the machine a longer life. However, in a lot of commercial environments, strong suctions power isn’t a major factor. Initial purchase cost is. Say you’re a facility manager with a  £500 cleaning equipment budget. Do you buy 4 cleaners at £100 each (and £100 on replacement bags) or 2 high price cleaners at £200 each? With the first choice you can afford to have a few machines spare. There’s also the problem of theft, if you’re using a recognisable high ticket consumer item within a workplace.

The Dyson motor, by all accounts, produces more noise than a standard motor. As a result, the DC12 has two power settings. But using the DDM might reduce some of the criticism of the Dyson uprights, in that they’re heavier than most.

Probably the newer versions of the DDM, noise issues have been addressed.  The noise levels could just be the airflow/airforce!  Thats another area I think Dyson could improve on, noise levels!  Although I'm a big fan of Dyson Vacuums they have to be one of the most noisey vacuums I have used!

Having just joined this forum there are a few things Id like to say regarding Dyson, Sebo and other Dyson copiers.

Ive owned three Dysons in my lifetime; DC01, DC02, DC03. Dyson may have been there with "firsts" and "innovations," but I had to spend an excess of £500 on one Dyson model to be repaired and that was outwith the 2 year guarantee on one of my models. The DC03 brush control was by far the worst upright Ive owned second to an Oreck XL. For starters the brush control is a waste of money. Dyson at the time stated that lifetime meant nothing to pay for in the future. However the Brush Control on most Dyson uprights involve a permanent drive belt which has to be replaced if it breaks by an engineer - or if you are lucky, know the model fully to re-assemble it  but the user manual gives no advice other than to phone engineers and that means a £55 call out charge. The DC02 had the worst filters which kept clogging and after a final repair of £125 gave service in a home which has no pets and copes only with average family households consisting of two children and two parents. The 02 model didnt last however after its motor packed up after a year.

Unlike any other company on the market with the possible exception of Vax's new Zero products, no other company can produce a cyclonic bagless vacuum which has constant suction even after the bin is full and we all know by who. "Dyson copiers," however did not exist until Vax made their Zero range; any other company product uses a mesh or paper filter which traps the dirt, gives us all that same swirly pattern of dirt when it revolves around the bin, but the moment the filter clogs with dirt is the moment the suction is cut. In this respect this is why I respect Dyson for his constant suction/cyclonic application. HOWEVER, UNTIL Dyson produce a whole range of uprights which can:

1) Slide under low furniture without having to whip out the hose.

2) Have a better designed way of removing the floor brush to clean out without disturbing the drive belt.

3) Do away with drive belts altogether.

4) Aren't the most expensive to buy and are quiet in use

5) Are made to a good standard with a good quality track record of high standard componentry...

I shall stick to my uncle's old Sebo X1. It's not classy looking, it takes a big bag and seals the dirt, has filters which actually protect the motor and the bags are cheap to buy as well as being in mass supply. The Sebo uprights don't use a drive belt which have to be replaced either and that's one consumable i dont miss buying for my Dyson uprights. Sure the Dc03 was great at being able to be hung off a door, but the motor hinge got in the way whilst trying to vacuum carpet under low coffee tables. The X range can also be dismantled down into three viable parts which all click lock together so transporting it is easier. I know this because he gave us his 12 year old X1 from being in storage before emigrating to the States and currently has a North American/voltage spec Sebo X4.

So whilst Dyson produces the Slim model (and Ive tried it but Im put off with the bagless idea since it is dirty regardless of the low trapdoor down release system - the shrouds do have to be cleaned once in a while!) and the Bulky Ball upright which use a permanent motor system/permanent drive belt Dyson can do damage all he likes with Sebo being taken to court. The shoe is on the other foot now where Dyson is concerned; once upon a time Dyson was taking Hoover to court over cosmetic/design and application claims; if Dyson wants to be the best, he has to build the best into his designs rather than use a few technological advances over older models in his range.

I thought Dyson had moved away from the belt on his DC15 and DC18 (and motorhead DC21) by using a separate motor and geared drive system on both thoughs model cleaning heads.  They also have easy to remove brush bars from either end!  I have to say I'd prefer the DC03 which was slim and could lie flat to the floor,  no other Dyson Upright has done that since.  Although the DC03 had no power compared to the DC18 Slim which is an excellent machine for its size to weight ratio!  The power out perfroms the DC03!