No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Original Message Aug 1, 2007 3:10 am
Wonder if there are any signs of a new vacuum coming out from Dyson? I here there is some new product due to launch end of 2007 and early 2008! Not sure what!
It's about time they launched the Dyson Digital Motor into other vacuums (not just the DC12 in Japan!). More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!
The DC14 has had a re-launch into the new colours in the UK:
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #23 Sep 22, 2008 5:14 pm
Motorhead wrote:
Here's more information I heard last month. At least 2 new Dysons will be introduced before the end of the year.
First, the DC27. Dyson's flagship self-propelled upright and also a model intended for commercial use. The main advertising point for this machine will be that cleans "acres and acres" of carpeting, or homes/buildings of 5,000 square feet or larger. $799 retail means it won't come cheap, but I can see instances where a machine like this would be perfect...won't clog on that dark, thick, powdery commercial dirt either. For those large areas it had better have a large bin.
Hi MH,
I'll be interested to see both. I imagine the DC27 won't be of the "ball" design if it is self-propelled.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #24 Sep 22, 2008 5:36 pm
Motorhead wrote:
Here's more information I heard last month. At least 2 new Dysons will be introduced before the end of the year.<BR><BR>First, the DC27. Dyson's flagship self-propelled upright and also a model intended for commercial use. The main advertising point for this machine will be that cleans "acres and acres" of carpeting, or homes/buildings of 5,000 square feet or larger. $799 retail means it won't come cheap, but I can see instances where a machine like this would be perfect...won't clog on that dark, thick, powdery commercial dirt either. For those large areas it had better have a large bin.<BR><BR>Second, a corded version of the DC16 called the KnuckleDuster, available with or without the Motorhead. This will have potential and I predict they will sell more of these than the cordless version. I'll add to this when I hear more, I'm not sure if it is an entirely new model (DCxx) or just another variation of the DC16.<BR><BR>I also heard rumors about the DC22 DDM being introduced to the US market, but I'm not too optimistic at the moment as I had initially heard that the US DC23 would be a DDM-equipped, completely unique machine instead of a glorified DC21 with a slightly more powerful motor and higher filtration. Wouldn't we all love to see this, if it was introduced here I'd be the first to buy one. Only time will tell...<BR><BR>-MH
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #25 Sep 24, 2008 5:51 pm
Thanks Motorhead for the info.
The DC27 sounds interesting, I wonder if that is just a US model or will be available on the UK market too! I wonder if the DDM will appear in it which core technology! Wonder what the DC28 could be upright or cansiter!? I'm hoping the UK has a much needed replacement to the DC14 in the near future! Something of a complete re-design!
I did wonder when they were going to use the 'knuckleduster' name and thought it might be a corded version. My guess it will be a completely new model using maybe the DC26 code! It will be a 'welcomed' addition and I agree will probably sell more then the cordless DC16. This doesn't really surprise me as people comment how good the DC16 is but doesn't last long on one charge hence the new car charge for the Dc16 so you can use it conitniously in your car! I wonder if the Knuckleduster will be out before Christmas!
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #26 Sep 26, 2008 8:11 am
Great insights Motorhead, thanks.
Can someone explain to me the working of a self propelled vacuum cleaner? Is like an assisted gear arrangement, which makes it easier to push or pull?
The DC27 will be aimed at commercial and residential use? At $799 wouldn't it be a major theft target? Almost certainly using the digital motor, unless the resulting noise level would be too great for long term use.
The KnuckleDuster sounds promising. I've used the DC16 for car cleaning - great performance but the 6min run time makes it a proper race before the red light starts flashing! Drop the battery, add a coiled cord, make it more agile, include a powerhead it could be a winner in this market.
The DDM will likely be fitted to Dyson vacs as a standard part in the near future. But first they'll need to ensure it has proven reliability, reasonable noise levels and reduce the comparable manufacturing cost.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #28 Sep 26, 2008 10:27 am
mole wrote:
Any company that needs to advertise constantly does NOT have a product or service that will attract customers on its own...............
Agree or Dis-agree
MOLE
Agree. Oreck would be almost nowhere in the consumer space without their advertising spend to reach buyers in the senior category. They have long perfected their formula. The high margin price (and lifetime replacement costs) allows them just enough advertising spend to reach the next level of buyers and so on. The other option is to invest the profit in to R&D spend.
Personally, I'd say that the main reason Oreck choose to manufacture in the US is 1) Their high margin allows for the cost 2) Having 'Made in the USA' is a bigger marketing draw for sales than the cost savings that would equate to performing the work elsewhere.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #29 Sep 26, 2008 1:09 pm
Oreck has no patentable technologies or any technologies that any other manufacture wants. Simply put, the Oreck is made with off the shelf parts. 1) Weight and 2) Made In The USA (I agree w/ Moose) are it’s primary selling features. Making a new friend and dragging the Oreck to this new friend (Oreck dealer) for belt changes and tune ups is a selling feature for some, I suppose.
Dyson advertises more than anyone in the USA. I am glad they do, it has kept the incredibly under-whelming vacuum appliance fresh in the publics minds. Of course it is based on patentable technologies that all or near all the worlds “players” (vacuum manufacturers) want. Electrolux is the latest to file a European patent for cyclonic's combined with their (patentable) so-called “self cleaning [pre] filter”. I am sure if other manufacturers actually invented something of any relevance they too would invest in marketing and get the word out on their live changing and/or market changing invention and/or money making inventions. But of course that would be asking to much of billion plus (dollar) corporations.... to give people what they want most {innovations that make life radically better). DIB
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #30 Sep 26, 2008 2:04 pm
Dave genuinely enjoys pitching his ORECK name/products nationwide. Keeps him young. His joy and entertainment in life. He's probably the most recognizable face of the household appliance industry. If he enjoys it, why not? He's earned the right to be out there front and center with his products, regardless of the expense. How many people in their 80's have the opportunity and choose to exercise it like Dave? He's one of kind.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Sep 26, 2008 by CarmineD
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #31 Sep 26, 2008 3:15 pm
M00seUK wrote:
Great insights Motorhead, thanks.
Can someone explain to me the working of a self propelled vacuum cleaner? Is like an assisted gear arrangement, which makes it easier to push or pull?
The DC27 will be aimed at commercial and residential use? At $799 wouldn't it be a major theft target? Almost certainly using the digital motor, unless the resulting noise level would be too great for long term use.
The KnuckleDuster sounds promising. I've used the DC16 for car cleaning - great performance but the 6min run time makes it a proper race before the red light starts flashing! Drop the battery, add a coiled cord, make it more agile, include a powerhead it could be a winner in this market.
The DDM will likely be fitted to Dyson vacs as a standard part in the near future. But first they'll need to ensure it has proven reliability, reasonable noise levels and reduce the comparable manufacturing cost.
Hi Moose,
The typical working of a self-propelled cleaner (thinking of the Hoover Dial-A-Matic/Concept drive system to explain here, but Kirby works in a similar fashion) consists of a gearcase, directional control (linkage connecting to the handle), and two sets of pressure plates (right and left). The shaft is usually driven off of a separate belt from the motor and turns the moving part of the clutch system. When the handle is pulled back, the linkage engages the pressure plates on one side, transferring the power through the gearcase, and driving the wheels in that direction. The same happens when the handle is pulled back except it uses the other pressure plate and the wheels are driven in the opposite direction.
It is my understanding that the DC27's propulsion mechanism will consist of two separate motors and gearcases for each side.
Re: No sign of any New Dyson Vacuum yet! Reply #32 Sep 26, 2008 4:12 pm
I do believe Dave Oreck is very good and natural on camera. It is his overuse of adjectives to describe a function that makes him loose some of his natural credibility (take power for example - Dave will use about 4 or 5 different adjectives to describe his vacs power and do it in one sentence). His use of video (clips of his infomercial) and a video greeting of Dave himself (on the front page) is IMO, very good too. Video communicates information the best and I am surprised Dyson (and others) do not take advantage of this medium and host tutorials, demonstrate functions, comparisons, tours of their testing, design studios and bio lab, future school of innovation, etc.
Motorhead said... It is my understanding that the DC27's propulsion mechanism will consist of two separate motors and gearcases for each side.
Motohead, what is the advantage of separate motors. Thanks.
I just viewed an NBC news special on thieving and many Dyson’s are being stolen from Target and fenced (resold to the highest bidder in the nation) on eBay. An $800 vacuum has got to be tempting for the black-hearted. DIB
