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Hi DysoninventsBig

Thanks for the news link!  Gosh 8 New Vacuum Cleaners for the Globle Market  I do hope they are something different with a new cyclone system that is totally new!  Unlike Dyson to mention what they have planned!  James Dyson usually likes to keep things close to his chest!    DIB replys:  : He should - keep his inventions quiet, he reminds me of Steve Jobs in this way.  He has many enemies or competitors who would just love to steal or get advance warning of his upcoming products if they could.

I do feel they still have things to improve on!  The DC18 Slim is one of the best uprights they have done for a while although it can not go fully flat on the floor like the DC03 does!  Although the DC18 has the flexability to have different floor heads attached if they wanted to go down that route!  DIB replies:  Agreed.  The Slim is his best overall upright (IMO).  Do you live in England or UK?  What's the DC03 like to use?  Do you know why Dyson would produce a vacuum with dual and very large filters?  Why did they re-launch the DC08/DC08 Telescope wrap as DC19 and DC20 Stowaway using Root 8 Cyclone dropping the Root 12!   DIB replies:   Funny.  I have the Stowaway and have the DC08 cyclone w/bin.  A little modifing and the 08 bin and cyclones fits onto the Stowaway.  Why he switched is only a guess. - I think it was just a line refreshing/line extension.  He is expected to always invent and come out with new and this was his choice.  Perhaps there's only a minor difference between the Root12 vs. Root8 cyclones.  I cannot tell.  Certainly manufacturing a parts/cyclones, etc. to fit onto canister and uprights makes sense.  The cyclone and shroud off the Stowaway is identical as the uprights.

Do you mean the DC14 pictures?  They are off the UK DYson Website:  http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range_overview.asp?model=DC14&sinavtype=menu

Quote DC18:  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!  DIB replies:  Can you link some UK or non USA vac makers who are coming out with Dyson copies or alike?  Thanks.  DIB

Hi DysoninventsBig

Thanks for the news link!  Gosh 8 New Vacuum Cleaners for the Globle Market  I do hope they are something different with a new cyclone system that is totally new!  Unlike Dyson to mention what they have planned!  James Dyson usually likes to keep things close to his chest!    DIB replys:  : He should - keep his inventions quiet, he reminds me of Steve Jobs in this way.  He has many enemies or competitors who would just love to steal or get advance warning of his upcoming products if they could. DC18 replys: suppose most people expect vacuums from Dyson which is no big secret, I would think the digital motor will feature heavly in some!

I do feel they still have things to improve on!  The DC18 Slim is one of the best uprights they have done for a while although it can not go fully flat on the floor like the DC03 does!  Although the DC18 has the flexability to have different floor heads attached if they wanted to go down that route!  DIB replies:  Agreed.  The Slim is his best overall upright (IMO).  Do you live in England or UK?  What's the DC03 like to use?  Do you know why Dyson would produce a vacuum with dual and very large filters? DC18 replys: Think the DC18 is great! Love in the UK/England.  Where you from?The DC03 is light and easy to use and push.  Big long hose and easy to unblock and check for blockages.  Good pickup. The only think was it's power.  700 watt motor is not that powerful, the tools where ok.  You didn't get that feel of power like the DC07 (UK model) and brush effect like th e DC15 and DC18 with the DC03. It lack power something I told Dyson Customer Services.  The bin for the size was ok, twin HEPA filter 1st ever, best filteration in a Dyson.  Laid flat to go uder beds and furniture!  The DC03 I think was produced to bring a lighter upright from the DC01, was the first Dyson to feature brush control, and already mentioned twin HEPA Filter, you can even hang it on the wall by the end cap on the top of the wand!   Why did they re-launch the DC08/DC08 Telescope wrap as DC19 and DC20 Stowaway using Root 8 Cyclone dropping the Root 12!   DIB replies:   Funny.  I have the Stowaway and have the DC08 cyclone w/bin.  A little modifing and the 08 bin and cyclones fits onto the Stowaway.  Why he switched is only a guess. - I think it was just a line refreshing/line extension.  He is expected to always invent and come out with new and this was his choice.  Perhaps there's only a minor difference between the Root12 vs. Root8 cyclones.  I cannot tell.  Certainly manufacturing a parts/cyclones, etc. to fit onto canister and uprights makes sense.  The cyclone and shroud off the Stowaway is identical as the uprights.  DC18 replys: One thing James Dyson said he would not re-package old technology - the DC19 and DC20 are repackaged DC08/DC08 TW's in a way.  He could have put the trap door on the DC19, DC20 and DC21 like the DC12 and all the current uprights!    The differance would be air flow maybe!  4 Cyclones less to push air through!      

Do you mean the DC14 pictures?  They are off the UK DYson Website:  http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range_overview.asp?model=DC14&sinavtype=menu

Quote DC18:  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!  DIB replies:  Can you link some UK or non USA vac makers who are coming out with Dyson copies or alike?  Thanks.  DIB DC18 replys:    Vax.co.uk is one in the UK, uk.LGE.com, I believe Samsung has one out in a cylinder version.  I understand the Dual can be copied as the patent has ran out, but can not believe the root patent has ran out as yet!  Dyson need to move his technology on to be differnet again!   DC18  P.S

Hi DysoninventsBig

Thanks for the news link!  Gosh 8 New Vacuum Cleaners for the Globle Market  I do hope they are something different with a new cyclone system that is totally new!  Unlike Dyson to mention what they have planned!  James Dyson usually likes to keep things close to his chest!    DIB replys:  : He should - keep his inventions quiet, he reminds me of Steve Jobs in this way.  He has many enemies or competitors who would just love to steal or get advance warning of his upcoming products if they could. DC18 replys: suppose most people expect vacuums from Dyson which is no big secret, I would think the digital motor will feature heavly in some!

I do feel they still have things to improve on!  The DC18 Slim is one of the best uprights they have done for a while although it can not go fully flat on the floor like the DC03 does!  Although the DC18 has the flexability to have different floor heads attached if they wanted to go down that route!  DIB replies:  Agreed.  The Slim is his best overall upright (IMO).  Do you live in England or UK?  What's the DC03 like to use?  Do you know why Dyson would produce a vacuum with dual and very large filters? DC18 replys: Think the DC18 is great! Love in the UK/England.  Where you from?The DC03 is light and easy to use and push.  Big long hose and easy to unblock and check for blockages.  Good pickup. The only think was it's power.  700 watt motor is not that powerful, the tools where ok.  You didn't get that feel of power like the DC07 (UK model) and brush effect like th e DC15 and DC18 with the DC03. It lack power something I told Dyson Customer Services.  The bin for the size was ok, twin HEPA filter 1st ever, best filteration in a Dyson.  Laid flat to go uder beds and furniture!  The DC03 I think was produced to bring a lighter upright from the DC01, was the first Dyson to feature brush control, and already mentioned twin HEPA Filter, you can even hang it on the wall by the end cap on the top of the wand!   Why did they re-launch the DC08/DC08 Telescope wrap as DC19 and DC20 Stowaway using Root 8 Cyclone dropping the Root 12!   DIB replies:   Funny.  I have the Stowaway and have the DC08 cyclone w/bin.  A little modifing and the 08 bin and cyclones fits onto the Stowaway.  Why he switched is only a guess. - I think it was just a line refreshing/line extension.  He is expected to always invent and come out with new and this was his choice.  Perhaps there's only a minor difference between the Root12 vs. Root8 cyclones.  I cannot tell.  Certainly manufacturing a parts/cyclones, etc. to fit onto canister and uprights makes sense.  The cyclone and shroud off the Stowaway is identical as the uprights.  DC18 replys: One thing James Dyson said he would not re-package old technology - the DC19 and DC20 are repackaged DC08/DC08 TW's in a way.  He could have put the trap door on the DC19, DC20 and DC21 like the DC12 and all the current uprights!    The differance would be air flow maybe!  4 Cyclones less to push air through!      

Do you mean the DC14 pictures?  They are off the UK DYson Website:  http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range_overview.asp?model=DC14&sinavtype=menu

Quote DC18:  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!  DIB replies:  Can you link some UK or non USA vac makers who are coming out with Dyson copies or alike?  Thanks.  DIB DC18 replys:    Vax.co.uk is one in the UK, uk.LGE.com, I believe Samsung has one out in a cylinder version.  I understand the Dual can be copied as the patent has ran out, but can not believe the root patent has ran out as yet!  Dyson need to move his technology on to be differnet again!   DC18

Hi DysoninventsBig

Thanks for the news link!  Gosh 8 New Vacuum Cleaners for the Globle Market  I do hope they are something different with a new cyclone system that is totally new!  Unlike Dyson to mention what they have planned!  James Dyson usually likes to keep things close to his chest!    DIB replys:  : He should - keep his inventions quiet, he reminds me of Steve Jobs in this way.  He has many enemies or competitors who would just love to steal or get advance warning of his upcoming products if they could. DC18 replys: suppose most people expect vacuums from Dyson which is no big secret, I would think the digital motor will feature heavly in some!

I do feel they still have things to improve on!  The DC18 Slim is one of the best uprights they have done for a while although it can not go fully flat on the floor like the DC03 does!  Although the DC18 has the flexability to have different floor heads attached if they wanted to go down that route!  DIB replies:  Agreed.  The Slim is his best overall upright (IMO).  Do you live in England or UK?  What's the DC03 like to use?  Do you know why Dyson would produce a vacuum with dual and very large filters? DC18 replys: Think the DC18 is great! Love in the UK/England.  Where you from?The DC03 is light and easy to use and push.  Big long hose and easy to unblock and check for blockages.  Good pickup. The only think was it's power.  700 watt motor is not that powerful, the tools where ok.  You didn't get that feel of power like the DC07 (UK model) and brush effect like th e DC15 and DC18 with the DC03. It lack power something I told Dyson Customer Services.  The bin for the size was ok, twin HEPA filter 1st ever, best filteration in a Dyson.  Laid flat to go uder beds and furniture!  The DC03 I think was produced to bring a lighter upright from the DC01, was the first Dyson to feature brush control, and already mentioned twin HEPA Filter, you can even hang it on the wall by the end cap on the top of the wand!   Why did they re-launch the DC08/DC08 Telescope wrap as DC19 and DC20 Stowaway using Root 8 Cyclone dropping the Root 12!   DIB replies:   Funny.  I have the Stowaway and have the DC08 cyclone w/bin.  A little modifing and the 08 bin and cyclones fits onto the Stowaway.  Why he switched is only a guess. - I think it was just a line refreshing/line extension.  He is expected to always invent and come out with new and this was his choice.  Perhaps there's only a minor difference between the Root12 vs. Root8 cyclones.  I cannot tell.  Certainly manufacturing a parts/cyclones, etc. to fit onto canister and uprights makes sense.  The cyclone and shroud off the Stowaway is identical as the uprights.  DC18 replys: One thing James Dyson said he would not re-package old technology - the DC19 and DC20 are repackaged DC08/DC08 TW's in a way.  He could have put the trap door on the DC19, DC20 and DC21 like the DC12 and all the current uprights!    The differance would be air flow maybe!  4 Cyclones less to push air through!      

Do you mean the DC14 pictures?  They are off the UK DYson Website:  http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/range_overview.asp?model=DC14&sinavtype=menu

Quote DC18:  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!  DIB replies:  Can you link some UK or non USA vac makers who are coming out with Dyson copies or alike?  Thanks.  DIB DC18 replys:    Vax.co.uk is one in the UK, uk.LGE.com, I believe Samsung has one out in a cylinder version.  I understand the Dual can be copied as the patent has ran out, but can not believe the root patent has ran out as yet!  Dyson need to move his technology on to be differnet again!   DC18  P.S I have seen the Bissell Vacs that are a clone of Dyson.  I'm a Fan of Bissell Pro Heat Carpet washers!

What do you think of this vacuum - Sebo?:

Hi DysoninventsBig

DC18 replys: suppose most people expect vacuums from Dyson which is no big secret, I would think the digital motor will feature heavly in some!

 8/3/07  DIB replies:   Dysons critics expect Dyson to reinvent constantly.  A bit unfair.  But his fans just want to see new and exceiting things.  The digital motor will be his next big revolution.  This will alow him to radically change the upright and canister.  Imagine, your Slim with the DDM inside a small ball or ontop of the main wheel/roller versus having it in the handle as it is now.  I weighed the handie weight of The Ball vs. The Slim and the weight is identical.  No improvement at all even though the Slim looks lighter at the handle/body.  Also Dyson can put (perhaps) a DDM (Dyson Digital Motor) in the nozzle vs. a standard motor.  Why?  A lighter weight and to manage speed or perhaps it can manage its own speed.  He claims his motors are half the weight but very cheap to manufacutre.  The computer chip he claims is the real cost for this motor and so is hoping this price comes down.  He is working on shrinking the DDM electronics.

DC18 replys: Think the DC18 is great! Love in the UK/England.  Where you from?The DC03 is light and easy to use and push.  Big long hose and easy to unblock and check for blockages.  Good pickup. The only think was it's power.  700 watt motor is not that powerful, the tools where ok.  You didn't get that feel of power like the DC07 (UK model) and brush effect like th e DC15 and DC18 with the DC03. It lack power something I told Dyson Customer Services.  The bin for the size was ok, twin HEPA filter 1st ever, best filteration in a Dyson.  Laid flat to go uder beds and furniture!  The DC03 I think was produced to bring a lighter upright from the DC01, was the first Dyson to feature brush control, and already mentioned twin HEPA Filter, you can even hang it on the wall by the end cap on the top of the wand

 8/3/07  DIB replies:   I live in Los Angeles.  Were you able to see any of the Tour de France in person?  Is the DC03 pre-motor filter small? - Compared to other Dysons, what size is the filtert approximately?  Thanks for your DC03 knowledge.  I have been wondering why this vac was in Dysons product lineup.

DC18 replys: One thing James Dyson said he would not re-package old technology - the DC19 and DC20 are repackaged DC08/DC08 TW's in a way.  He could have put the trap door on the DC19, DC20 and DC21 like the DC12 and all the current uprights!    The differance would be air flow maybe!  4 Cyclones less to push air through! 

DC18 replys:    Vax.co.uk is one in the UK, uk.LGE.com, I believe Samsung has one out in a cylinder version.  I understand the Dual can be copied as the patent has ran out, but can not believe the root patent has ran out as yet!  Dyson need to move his technology on to be differnet again!   DC18  P.S I have seen the Bissell Vacs that are a clone of Dyson.  I'm a Fan of Bissell Pro Heat Carpet washers!

 8/3/07  DIB replies:   Dysons dual-cyclone patent here in the US was issued in 1986.  Expired (I believe) in 2006.  In 2006 we now see Dysons dual copied by his competition. 

What do you think of this vacuum - Sebo?:

 8/3/07  DIB replies:   Truthfully I have never heard of the Sebo until a few months ago.  I can only comment on the filtration.  I enjoy looking at patentable technology and from whomever.  If someone, anyone can think out of the box, then thats good.  I believe the Sebo is a bag vacuum..

 8/3/07  DIB replies:   Check out how Dyson gave Sebo "an education" (a US phrase) on bag filtration vs. Dyson’s dual filtration a ASA's web site.  Here.  This is why Dyson's other competitors have not challenged his filtration versus their bag.

DIB