Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Wonder if there are any signs of a new vacuum coming out from Dyson?  I here there is some new product due to launch end of 2007 and early 2008!  Not sure what!

It's about time they launched the Dyson Digital Motor into other vacuums (not just the DC12 in Japan!).  More and more vacuums in the UK are copying the dual and root cyclone technology as well!

The DC14 has had a re-launch into the new colours in the UK:

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MOOse and D.I.B. your replys are well taken they both hit the mark.

D.I.B please dont take this the wrong way but do you have any real problems with large companies?Is it that large corporations are just some type of money making machine.  unregulated  non performing Ponzi schemes?

MOLE

Motorhead wrote:

MH, M00seUK:

Good description of the SP operation. 

With HOOVER, the directional linkage is commonly called the "clutch cable."  HOOVER-s have a button in the handle grip which puts the "transmission" in neutral and allows users to wheel the Power drives/Concepts from room to room without the need for carrying.  A draw back of the SP is that when/if the clutch/transmission are disabled, there was no manual default on the SP vacuum to push and pull easily over the rugs to operate.  It was dead in the water [or should I say carpet?].  And of course in HOOVER's case it added over 5 pounds to the vacuum. 

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

I agree that this is the case with Oreck.  I would add that a company that includes free gifts to sell an inferior product is a bottom feeder.

CarmineD wrote:

None of what you said adds value to the machine.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

Selling a product as Dave does, or Jim Perdue [use your own favorite pitch person] doesn't add value to it, nor is it meant to.  Using the product does!  The giveaways and grandfatherly sales pitch are to encourage people, who normally would not, to try the product.  Now, the free in home 30 day ORECK guarantee without obligation and allowing customers to keep the giveaways even if they return the ORECK, does add value.  Why? Dave is rewarding the customer at his expense for taking their time and effort to test the product. 

Recall recently, and perhaps still, that your fave brand [the subject of this thread] sold the Hand Held for $50 [a $150 MSRP] to customers with the purchase of any full size vacuum.   Does this sales promotion diminish the value of the Hand Held?  Does it send the message to people that its worth is not $150, but one-third the MSRP? You've made that claim with ORECK and the use of giveaways.  Does it apply too with your brand?

Carmine D.

Venson,
My reference to black-hearted was aimed at thieves. Knowingly buying stolen merchandise or stolen property is too black-hearted. Good folk do not knowingly buy stolen merchandise. My belief and what I have heard from eBayer’s is, most eBayer's do not know or want to know the source of NIB merchandise.

Recent news on Dyson’s being stolen...
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080924/NEWS01/809240375/1043/NEWS01

Mole,
I have no problem with mom and pop sized corporations nor do I have a problem with multibillion dollar corporations. As I have said before, innovation and playing fair is what I look for in people and businesses. I do enjoy pointing out (over and over) the lack of talent for innovation at most of these billion plus dollar corporations (vacuum manufacturers). It is quite funny to watch.

DIB

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

Remember vacuums, if they are good, eat and store dirt.  That's about as down and dirty as you can get for a product!  Some companies use pretty colors [dyson] and/or false claims [halo].  ORECK uses giveaways.  In the scheme of marketing, most value conscious buyers would take the latter rather than the former.

Carmine D.

Camine, You and i both know that when oreck first came into the main stream vacuum dealers, the dealers looked at the machine and said to themselves LOOSER, this can not be denied.H.S. has a real valid point,premiums given away to sell a product is hiding the real cost.

Granted Dave and Co, have done what was not expected by the vacuum experts, The monster has been created and can not be stopped by either the vacuum industry or vacuum experts. Orecks market is liteweight and for the consumer that likes the made in U.S.A mantra. Although they should tell the public where the parts come from,its only assembled here in the states.

Yes H.S. i agree its the best 49.95 vacuum out there''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

MOLE

Motorhead / Carmine, thanks for the replies on self-propelled. It does sound complicated, but I guess no more so than was required of the design of the ball / undercarriage arrangement in Dyson’s DC15. Sounds like there are still a few years to go until contract cleaners can be replaced by robots! The commercial sector offers Dyson huge potential for growth, but they’ve yet to make an impact on the tried and tested. It would be a similar challenge as selling high priced hand driers.

I have to admire Dave Oreck in part. Although I have respect for continual product development, he’s certainly been able to successfully hold on to a certain part of the market for a long time.

In the early days of Dyson in the UK, they didn’t do any advertising at all. They quickly worked with having a disruptive product and being PR savvy brought good returns. They only really ramped up the TV commercials and went on the offensive when the dual cyclone infringing competitor, Hoover triple vortex went on the market (in around 2000, as I recall). Since then, within the sea of bag-less competitors, they’ve needed to reinforce in the minds of the buyer, the unique aspects their products offer.

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

I don't disagree with you and HS:  Giveaways cost the buyer in some way, shape or form.  The question, as a potential buyer of the product, becomes: Do you want to pay/not pay for the giveaways.  Either way, ORECK gives buyers options with/w-o the giveaways. 

Alternatively, buyers shopping for lightweight vacuums have options:  The stand alone ORECK XL Classic at $199 on sale [w/o the giveaways]; RICCAR-SIMPLICITY for $350-$$450 [MSRP]; and/or dyson DC24 for $399 [MSRP].  Even used ORECK XL's, if the buyer is so inclined, can be had for as little as $100 at ORECK stores.  ORECK is competitive with the others.  Tho, ORECK, you would agree, is the original: The Grand Daddy of them all! 

The Federal Trade Commission [FTC] oversees companies using the label Made in the USA.  Recently, the Feds tightened the legal requirements.  By law, to use the label MADE IN THE USA, the FTC requires that  'all or virtually all' significant parts and processing are of US origin.  I'm told all or vitually all means at least 80 percent of the product components.  Companies must be able to back up the claim with proof else suffer the consequences.  

Carmine D.