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snowshoveler
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the great horsepower debate...
Original Message Mar 15, 2005 8:18 pm |
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well folks a tied up the briggs rep and made him fess up on the sno engines. there are 3 real horsepower ranges. the small one is fron 6 to 8.5 horse...actually 8 horse i beleive not positive on this the 9 to 12 horse units ...actually 12 horse last is 13 horse and it is closer to 14 horse and almost all of them are cast iron bore. the snappers are all cast iron bore according to the tech. thare have been no service manuals on the inteck engines since april of 2002,and there is no info on them that is any newer than that. this is why there is so much controversey on it. briggs never thought that they would have the success with the engine that they did,things just worked out real well for them. they plan to get the numbers RIGHT for next season...and you guessed it ...it will be cubic inches not horsepower. later chris
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snowshoveler
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #21 Mar 16, 2005 5:22 pm |
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EPA i have a new dodge with the hemi and on my trip home from the update ,after refueling (101 dollars).i had the cruise on and going down hill the computer in the roof display had the nerve to tell me i was getting 89 mpg. if i had of had a gun i would have shot me or the computer right then. i thing im gonna quit all this and just grow some vegtables. later chris
craftsman 10/28 snowblower with tracks husky 372xpg chainsaw sachs dolmar bc212 bushsaw mondo trimmer monster tractor with trailer cheep wheelbarro and couple shovels and a partridge in a pear tree
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jubol
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #22 Mar 16, 2005 5:40 pm |
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Snowshoveler, What about the Tec Hp ratings on the engines with the same displacement?? Fred
This message was modified Mar 16, 2005 by jubol
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mml4
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #23 Mar 16, 2005 5:57 pm |
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as i reported when i started this thread...my information comes from a factory technician.not a salesman. If the above comment refers to my earlier post,my information did not come from a SALESMAN. It came from a TECH at Simplicity in the engineering department of the Port Washington Wisconsin factory. I DON'T doubt that the information you get as a tech is far better than we get as consummers.However I believe that information about SPECIFIC OPE units is more reliable from a tech at the manufacturing facility of the OPE than a tech at the facility that manufactures only the engine.
Once again, the information stated by the Simplicity tech was right on the money . Respectfully, Marc
This message was modified Mar 16, 2005 by mml4
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snowshoveler
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #24 Mar 16, 2005 6:20 pm |
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tecumseh isnt quite as far out there as briggs but they do have there own way of telling the truth. the only thing i can tell you for sure is that every ope engine will really produce the advertised horsepower. however the rpm that you have to run it at to get that horsepower is an entirely different thing. the only lawnmowers that actually make the advertised horsepower would be the ones with 2 blades. later chris
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Marshall
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #25 Mar 16, 2005 7:11 pm |
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EPA i have a new dodge with the hemi and on my trip home from the update ,after refueling (101 dollars).i had the cruise on and going down hill the computer in the roof display had the nerve to tell me i was getting 89 mpg. if i had of had a gun i would have shot me or the computer right then. i thing im gonna quit all this and just grow some vegtables. later chris Those are idiot meters, as bad as engine idiot lights. I had one on a 77 Olds Toranado XSR and a 78 Caddy Seville, they did the same thing back then. Nice cars back then, now they're pimpmobiles. LOL Matter of fact, the Toronado was this very year, model and color. The rear window wrapped around the back, there was no C pillar.
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Marshall
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #29 Mar 16, 2005 9:21 pm |
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Marshall: Did that year have the 500 cubic inch engine? That was one fine, smooth running engine, don't make them like that anymore. bbwb No it did not, it had a Big Block 403 or 405, can't remember which one now. But, my folks had an Eldorado of 74 or 75, I think, and it had the 500 cu in engine. You're right, that baby would flat out hum down the interstate! You're right they sure don't make them like that anymore.
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Ben07
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #30 Mar 17, 2005 2:00 am |
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. they plan to get the numbers RIGHT for next season...and you guessed it ...it will be cubic inches not horsepower. later chris I was checking out the tec engines last week and they had both extremes in the cubic inch ratio to horse power. For example they had an 8 HP that was the 21 cu. in. and an 11 Hp in the 19 cu. in. Then conversely They had an 8 hp in the 19 cu. in. and an 11 hp in the 21 cu in. So them going by cc's or cubic inches will now tell you less. Now they are calling the hp bait and switch "downlabeling" , saying there is no crime in giving the customer more than they paid for. Well they can't quite do that with stating the physical size of the displacement because that is a physical element. But as you can see, you can be led to believe you are getting more power with a bigger engine when in fact your not. They just keep going farther and farther. P.s. By the way for some of the engines that I can only assume they are hiding the actual H P this year, you now need a cross reference to find the horsepower as the nomenclature in the model number doesn,t reflect the horse power anymore. . Here's an example you can look at Tec site has an OH318sa model num, it is a 318cc engine Then go to Tulsa eng. Site and they sell it as a OH318sa/OHSK110 (they crossed referenced it as to being an 11 Hp) and they advertise it as a 10 HP Then go back to TEC's site and punch it in as spec number 221821b. and you will see it has the same piston etc. as the standard 8 HP L-head. ,, but I guess it is really an 11 HP and so probably is the 8 HP. L-head. So going by cubic inches I think is getting the consumer further away from the truth. Definitely in this size engine and up) What's really gonna burn someone's a-- is in the future someone will be doing a job with say a log splitter, or snow blower, (might be newer, but same design as the older one) and an older model will be doing the job much better. The guy with the newer model will be saying well I got a 400 cc engine. How many cc's does your 11 horsepower unit have, and he will say mine is only 318 cc's Probably the worst thing that can happen is when someone starts playing games with weights and measures. Ben07
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