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the great horsepower debate...
Original Message Mar 15, 2005 8:18 pm |
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well folks a tied up the briggs rep and made him fess up on the sno engines. there are 3 real horsepower ranges. the small one is fron 6 to 8.5 horse...actually 8 horse i beleive not positive on this the 9 to 12 horse units ...actually 12 horse last is 13 horse and it is closer to 14 horse and almost all of them are cast iron bore. the snappers are all cast iron bore according to the tech. thare have been no service manuals on the inteck engines since april of 2002,and there is no info on them that is any newer than that. this is why there is so much controversey on it. briggs never thought that they would have the success with the engine that they did,things just worked out real well for them. they plan to get the numbers RIGHT for next season...and you guessed it ...it will be cubic inches not horsepower. later chris
craftsman 10/28 snowblower with tracks husky 372xpg chainsaw sachs dolmar bc212 bushsaw mondo trimmer monster tractor with trailer cheep wheelbarro and couple shovels and a partridge in a pear tree
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Richie
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #31 Mar 17, 2005 6:47 am |
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tecumseh isnt quite as far out there as briggs but they do have there own way of telling the truth. the only thing i can tell you for sure is that every ope engine will really produce the advertised horsepower. however the rpm that you have to run it at to get that horsepower is an entirely different thing. the only lawnmowers that actually make the advertised horsepower would be the ones with 2 blades. later chris Hi there Chris, All things being equal I'd agree, but the one thing I can't get out of my mind is that LawnBoy disclaimer I posted to the forum which had a Tecumseh engine on it. I really don't see how a lawn mower is that much different from a two stage snowblower. True a snowblower has a very slow spinning auger, but the impeller spins very fast, not much different from the blade on a lawn mower. Add to the fact these engines are not rated for torque & HP taking into consideration the EPA carburetors or the actual muffler being used on a specific engine or application, or the drag the lighting/charging alternators cause. The LawnBoy disclaimer proves that part for sure. So I believe more than ever the consumer is being seriously shafted here. When I purchased my snowblower, it came with two owners manuals, one for the snowblower and one for the engine. The Tecumseh engine manual doesn't give one single engine specification for it, no mention of HP or torque, or even the engine size and not one single disclaimer about anything regarding engine performance. In other words, Tecumseh isn't offering one single piece of information stating what they actually installed on this machine other than the manual titled, HMSK 80-110. I'm going to prove all this once I can get my engine on a Dyno. Believe me, I really want to be proved wrong on this one, but I don't think I will be. I can also live with the fact that some percentage of HP is lost through pulleys, or hydro transmissions or other options installed, but I wouldn't mind that as long as I was able to say that my engine is at least producing it's rated power at the crank shaft. There is way too much misleading of the consumer in this industry, when you can't even trust what the engine performance charts are saying because you may not even have the engine you thought you purchased.
This message was modified Mar 17, 2005 by Richie
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AZinOH
Those who accept self-deception will perish by it.
Shakespeare said "to thine own self be true".
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #32 Mar 17, 2005 8:38 am |
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<<begin rant mode>> This has the potential to become one of those "never ending threads" (God, I hope not). I am shocked, shocked to learn that some manufacturers (you know who you are) are not entirely forthcoming about engine horsepower claims and what numbers are being used to justify them. Furthermore, the move away from hp ratings to engine displacement comparisons will only confuse the issue more, resulting in the marks (I meant to say, the consumers) paying more than they should or getting less than they wanted. Even if an engine advertised at 11 hp REALLY IS only 8-9 hp, how much of a problem IS that? Does it make the machine any less capable? I think not. It really only wounds the ego and feeds the fires of buyer's remorse. I'm not going to lose any sleep worrying whether or not Toro or my dealer took advantage of my naivete. I did the best I could at the time with the information I had, and I accept the machine for what it is. As long as it meets my needs, it satisfies me. If it doesn't, I'll make a better choice next time. <<end rant mode>> Yep, that Earl Grey tea produces quite a caffeine buzz. They should really put a warning label on that product. AZ
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Re: the great horsepower debate...
Reply #33 Dec 10, 2007 6:04 am |
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Hi, I know just what you guys are talking about, I bought a craftsman 13.5 torque rating and was led to beleive that it was a 13.5hp by the sears retailer, only after much research on the internet that I found out that it was a 9.5hp. Even the owners manual that the I have came with it says that its a 13.5hp, but on the snowblower it says 13.5 torque. When I was at the sears retail store, I asked the retail guy just what horsepower the engine was; and after digging out the owners manual, he bought it over to me and it stated right on it that it was a 13.5 horsepower...I've checked the model number on the manual and on the snowblower and they are a perfect match. I am certianly getting to do battle with sears, and I'm not going to take this sitting down!! Thank's |
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