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cleanmaxx_brian
"At least I am enjoying the ride"
Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
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Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Original Message Mar 12, 2005 1:39 pm |
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Hi All, First post here but before I start, I must say great board! I have read through many of the pages here and have learned a lot already! OK, here is the story. My dad gave me his old Ariens snowblower 2 years ago. It has a 24 inch cutting path and has a 8HP techemsa engine. It has 5 or 6 speeds forward and one reverse. My best guess is it is 17 to 20 years old. On the outside, it is in pretty good shape as it was always kept in a garage. When i got the machine, it ran but not very well...it had to have the choke 1/2 way out and would pop through the exhaust. My dad would leave gas in it and he probably neve changed the oil!!! I took care of the easy stuff and changed the oil. I made it through the first winter and this past fall, I cleaned out the carb real well and got it to run MUCH better! I still could not push the choke in all the way though. Well today I started the machine up and before I could get to the fist pile of snow, I blew the connecting rod out the side of the block! So I showed my wife who says we can't live without a snowblower (Oh do I love her!!!) so I explained we will need $1,000 for a replacement. I got the OK :) My questions are: 1, Is this really worth fixing? 2, Is my old machine worth anything? I live in Wantagh Long Island NY If anyone is interested 3, If I replace, I am looking at Ariens 8526LE, or the 926DLE or the Simplicity 9560E or 1060DLE....are my choices good? Thanks everyone, Brian http://www.pbase.com/cleanmaxx_brian
Brian ChangAriens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer, Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.
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cleanmaxx_brian
"At least I am enjoying the ride"
Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
Joined: Mar 12, 2005
Points: 231
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Re: Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Reply #7 Mar 12, 2005 10:00 pm |
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Thanks for all the great replys! So here is the latest and final chapter... I went on e-bay and found: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42230&item=4364901542&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW This guy is 25 min away so I gave him a call. He explained that he purchased 6 Ariens 8526LE's to keep at a new contracted job site. (He does snow removal during the winters and yard work during the summers) However he lost the deal and is now stuck with the units. The retailer would only give him store credit so on to e-bay he went! Well to make a long story short, he sold me one for $875 cash and that means no tax Brand new still in the box! That seams like a good deal no??? I brought it home, put it together and ooogled at the new features! I gave it a quick start and hit a small pile of snow (Whats left from today) and it tossed the heavy wet stuff an easy 25 feet. The only thing I wished it had was the better axel of the 926DLE but it is not like my old machine had it ...and I have never tried it, so I do not know what I am missing! Now is there anything I should check on this new 8526LE? I have read some people having minor problems...with the build quality and not the machine itself. Now as for my old machine, a buddy of mine has a cheap snowblower and it has a 8 HP Techumseh engine so this summer, we are going to try and fit his motor onto my old machine. I really hated to just "throw it away".
Brian ChangAriens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer, Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.
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cleanmaxx_brian
"At least I am enjoying the ride"
Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
Joined: Mar 12, 2005
Points: 231
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Re: Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Reply #8 Mar 12, 2005 10:08 pm |
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hmmm... i looked closley at your pic of the tossed rod, low oil condition somewhere along the line. brakedown in luberication...definate cause of ventilation. that being said ,my estimate of age puts it a little older than stated .i would say its a late 70s model and has points and condensor . this makes a shortblock possible but a bit more costly. i would check the rest of the machine out to see if its economical to replace the engine . a new ohv engine will have you in the snow for the least amount of cash . but a new machine will give you a warranty and less headaches. best buy right now seems to be the 9 horse snappers and simplicities. no interest no payments or somthing like that. im pretty sure that next seasons snappers and simplicities wont have the capability as this years...seems that the 9 ,10 and 11 are all the same engine . so this makes the 9 a good unit. later chris I checked the oil level just now after the rod damage and the oil level is still in the good zone. However a break down in lubrication could have been the cause. I do not think my Dad changed the oil in it very often... Could it just have been from use? This machine has moved a LOT of snow in its lifetime! As for your age guess, I bet you are right! I just called my mother and she said my father bought it USED 20 plus years ago!!! (Now that is a guy who knows his machines!!!) I also read the post that showed that all of the Simplicities machines with the B&S engines are 12 HP. What is the deal with my new machine? Is there a chance that it too has more power than what the label says????
Brian ChangAriens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer, Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.
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cleanmaxx_brian
"At least I am enjoying the ride"
Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
Joined: Mar 12, 2005
Points: 231
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Re: Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Reply #10 Mar 12, 2005 10:43 pm |
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I live in Wantagh, Long Island New York.
Brian ChangAriens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer, Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.
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cleanmaxx_brian
"At least I am enjoying the ride"
Location: Wantagh, Long Island, NY
Joined: Mar 12, 2005
Points: 231
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Re: Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Reply #13 Mar 13, 2005 1:29 am |
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OOOO Good catch Marty, I never thought of that but it make perfect sense. I must admit to you all now that I have read EVERY SINGLE Ariens post in this message board. And to be honest, the Tecumseh rod issue is scaring me. It seems if you run a tad low on oil, expect to see the inside parts on the outside I hope the newer engines do not have the same problems!!!
Brian ChangAriens 8526LE, Bradley 32" 12.5HP walk behind mower, Echo BP200 blower, Troy Built 4.5HP Pressure Washer, Craftsman 4.5HP Yard Vac, Homelite line trimmer, Scotts 21" high wheel mower, MTD 3.5HP Edger.
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Richie
Bring On The White Stuff
Location: Long Island, New York
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Re: Threw a connecting rod on my old Ariens, time to replace?
Reply #16 Mar 13, 2005 8:17 am |
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I also read the post that showed that all of the Simplicities machines with the B&S engines are 12 HP. What is the deal with my new machine? Is there a chance that it too has more power than what the label says????
Hi Brian,
I'd say the answer is yes to your question. Ariens lists your Tecumseh at 8.5 HP. I have that same engine on my Toro 828 LXE and Toro sells it as an 8 HP. Ben, one of our forum members, was able to check the operating RPM for me on his Ariens and found it to be running at 3,450 RPM's, where mine was originally running at 3,300 RPM's. The 150 RPM difference is why they are rating these engines at two different HP's. Originally I thought these engines to be 9 HP L-heads derated by the snowblower manufacturer to what you see them labeled at. What has been very interesting is that Fred and Ben both have been insisting that these engines are actually an 11 HP derated for marketing purposes. What I've done this past week is check the internal specifications taken directly from my Tecumseh Technician's Handbook, which is the actual manual you would use to service the internals of all 3 to 11 HP 4 cycle L-head engines. It shows that the 10 and 11 HP L-head engines have a slightly larger bore by 0.187" I can tell you for a fact that this minor difference shows me that on a dyno, all these engines would produce basically the same horse power. The restrictive muffler on all our OPE engines, just to name one thing, is what really keeps them from producing very much power, especially running in the mid-3,000 RPM range. The only way you are going to move up in HP and torque is to move up to a twin cylinder engine, but those are not offered on snowblowers. People think just by boring or honing a cylinder say, 0.020" will turn it into a super engine. Well, that isn't the case especially on these single cylinder engines. Think about how small that amount is, basically two-thirds less than the spark plug gap is on your car engine. I'm very happy I didn't waste another $400.00 on the top 11 HP OHV engine offered by Toro, even that engine has exactly the same displacement as my L-head engine and tells me a lot. I'd get yourself a good digital Tach/Hour meter for your machine and reset the governed speed up to 3,600 RPM's and it'll put you on an even playing field with what is considered a higher HP engine. I'm convinced this is what has been going on and how to beat them at their own game. I'd wait until the engine is broken in after the first oil change. Switch over to Mobil 1 oil too at that time.
Richie
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