Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hi guys,

Called Briggs with the spec # on the Simplicity I am looking at . The guy was very nice!! Called me back and spent a lot of time  but couldn't find the exact # I gave him. He said he was 90% sure the spec# I gave him  is an aluminum bore engine. What he was able to give me was the Phone # for Simplicity which I couldn't get on Friday. For you Simplicity fans the #is (262)284-8669.Hit 2 on your phone after you get through to get to the tech dept. Real interesting conversation with that gentleman.

1)All the engines in the large frame line are the same except for the 13hp unit."If you buy the the 9560E,1060DLXE,1170Eor 1280E you get the same engine."

When I asked him why he said it's more cost effective to power everything with the 12hp engine than to buy different engines for each model. He was very specific about saying the engine is the 12. The stickers are different.

2)" All the engines are aluminum bore models because they are the same engine" Simplicity chose to go with aluminum bore because they run cooler and in an environment absent of dust and dirt the cast iron isn't necessary.Today"s Aluminum alloys wear very well under winter conditions according to their tests."

3)"I should consider using the Briggs synthetic oil because it doubles  the life of the warranty. There is a chemical dye in the oil that colors the internal parts of the engine. If you have a failure they check for the color and you get a replacement." Sounds like a good deal to me.

4)He suggested using Simplicity part #1704636 to lubricate the gearbox. Infomed me that it is really a Snapper lubricant and that when Simplicity bought Snapper they found it worked very well. Said it doesen't thicken in the cold as much as other gear oils.

I pressed him a little on the aluminum bore issue reminding him that Simplicity used cast iron bore Tecumsehs before Briggs bought the company. He said that the purchase by Briggs had nothing to do with it.Simplicity started using Briggs three years ago when the Snow Intek first came out. He reminded me this was before Simplicity was bought by Briggs.When I asked him why the change he said there were too many issues with the Tecumseh carburetors .

 I went to the Briggs web site and spent some time looking at their replacement engine spec. book. Sure enough there are 9,10 and 11 hp. engines of the same displacement. To further confuse/enlighten me they listed engines of the same horse power that have different displacements.And to further confuse the issue Briggs does not list a 12 hp engine. 

I have a headache,

Marc

 Hi,

For info on Briggs and Tec engine parts by spec and model number, go to " Outdoordristributors.com"

I checked what the difference was by part nunber between a Tec OHV 9 and 11 HP.

I checked on the parts I thought would effect HP

Checked the following parts: Crankshaft, piston assmbly, Con rod, Head, Camshaft, Valves in and out, and carb.

They were perfect matches, same part numbers for the 9 and 11.

So I must assume Tecumseh is doing the same as Briggs!!!

So my new blower with a 9 HP label on it is really an 11 ! ! 

When I put on the adjustable carb, should make it a11.5 HP engine.

Have you checked the head gasket numbers??  That's how Tecumseh changes it's HP.

Sherri

So what is the latest on the Tecumseh engines? Are they all the same as well???

Well after research, it apears the Ariens does NOT play the same games.  The part number for the head gaskets are indeed different.

I also found all of this good info while searching here...

Richie Bring On The White Stuff Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Dec 12, 2003 Points: 506

Re: Tecumseh Engine Horse Power Rating Discovery Reply #51   Jan 28, 2005 10:04 am Quote Hi folks, This is a quote from a friend who deals with Tecumseh engines.  He too has been trying to get a few questions answered for me and spoke with a Tecumseh rep yeserday.  Below is what he was told by a different tech than I spoke with.   Richie this is straight from Tecumseh engineers. There is no difference between a 8 thru 11 hp Tecumseh snowblower carb . The difference is in the intakes and valves. But there is no difference in the carbs. Don. Richie

Richie Bring On The White Stuff Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Dec 12, 2003 Points: 506

Re: Tecumseh Engine Horse Power Rating Discovery Reply #52   Jan 29, 2005 2:18 pm Quote I got tired of getting different answers from different Techs at Tecumseh, so I did the research on my own to find the difference, at least comparing the differences between an 8 or 9 hp L-head to a 10 hp L-head. Everything is the same on an 8-10, including carburetor, jetting, head, crank, exhaust valve, intake valve, cam shaft.  The difference is that the piston and connecting rod are different.  I was also told from a mechanic that works on these engines that the Tecumseh 11 hp OHV engine uses a new cheaper type of carburetor.  So, is it really worth the extra money for a 10 hp L-head, that is up to the buyer.  Is it worth the extra money for the 11 hp OHV engine, I'd always prefer an OHV over an L-head.  Just depends on how deep your pockets are. Richie

OK, lets say I want the least expensive 12 HP Briggs Intek mounted snow blower, I don't care what brand of chassis,  what do I buy? 

okay you asked for it...ha ha

in canada your new snowblower would be a snapper with a 24 inch cut,and it would say 9 horse.

later chris

LOL  I just hated to see the thread die.

WOW.....!!!!      is all I can say...........what a thread...

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