Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

At least Briggs has all this in writing on their website it you know enough to look for it.  Obviously Tecumseh and any other engine manufacturer follows this same rating procedure.  Pretty lousy numbers when you think about gross HP as opposed to BHP that we are really concerned with.  Still, they don't mention if this rating system takes into account the very lean EPA carburetors, so I'd have to say no, which means its even worse.  If you look at the last paragraph that I highlighted in RED, this supposedly 8 hp engine I have that is run in ACTUAL conditions and NOT in optimum laboratory conditions, has a pitiful rating, as do all of our engines.

Horsepower Ratings

The power ratings shown with the individual engine series on the preceding pages are established in accordance with SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) code J1940 (Small Engine Power & Torque Rating Procedure) (Proposed Revision 2001-09). Power curve and engine performance data are obtained in accordance with SAE J1349 (Net) or J1995 (Gross) Engine Power Test Codes.

In accordance with SAE J1349 (Net) or J1995 (Gross) Engine Power Test Codes, power curves are developed from laboratory test engines and are corrected to standard conditions which are:

If the engine will be operated under ambient conditions different from above standard conditions, the following factors should be accounted for in estimating "on site" power output:

The actual "on site" power output will also vary depending on other factors including the manner in which the engine is operated, the fuel that is used, and the application in which it is installed.

The "Maximum BHP" curve represents maximum performance output of optimum laboratory test engines of a particular model. A statistical mean of production engines, with 95% confidence, will develop no less than 85% of the Maximum BHP when tested after run-in to reduce friction and after clean-out of combustion chamber, with valves, carburetor and ignition systems adjusted to laboratory standards.

The "Recommended Maximum Operating BHP" is a calculated curve and represents 85% of the maximum BHP curve. For practical operation, BHP load and speed should be within the limits shown in the "Recommended Maximum Operating BHP" curve.

If the maximum speed of the engine specified for a given application is governed to a speed less than the speed at which the Maximum BHP occurs, the engine will not achieve the Maximum BHP in that application. For applications requiring operation at other than the recommended engine speeds, complete details of the proposed engine installation should be referred to the factory for evaluation.

Source:  Briggs & Stratton Technical/Warranty
http://www.commercialpower.com/display/router.asp?DOCID=76491

Exactly what you been sayin Richie. Thus my thoughts as to when you are able to find the charts within operating range for it's application,Like for a snowblower.  3600RPM 8HP  then there is a 9 HP engine, no graphs same engine, etc But 9HP?

Did they just take it from the lab test's at a higher RPM.  All I can say is we haven't been able to find proof that they didn't.

All we can know for sure is they sure charge you more. no not just the motor, they gift wrap it into a little more glossier machine, where they increase to price for a percentage of the additional horsepower that you are not getting as both run at the same operating range.  Remember this all started for me after few years of repairing other peoples machines.  No big deal, moved to diff area word got around, now everybody that needs repairs is your best friend. yada yada. Only reason I mentioned that is that is how I was lucky enough to test out different types and horses, and torques of diff machines.  Cause I usually don't refuse a Snowblower,  more money to be made, and I like them.  When peoples lawnmowers etc break, they are more relaxed etcThey have time and is easier to borrow etc  and they can buy 89 dollar special.  When SB breaks, Oh my gawd a catastrophy, how am i gonna get out to road for work and a low end new one min 600 bucks.   I haven't ben able to do a side by side comparison say from an 8 and an11 or similar,  But it is my opinion if they are similar engines in bore an stroke and strength/size, runnin like just on crank pulley etc, you got always take the whole machine into consideration there ain't that much difference under the same type load. If there is any difference at all.   An that s the only way you can test em l either a dyno or a seat of the pants practical application.

Ben07

Bigger is almost always  BETTER.

Any way you look at it, no matter what size engine you buy, as long as the manufacturers are allowed to rate the engines in this way, you most certainly should forget whatever HP rating they give it.  I can only say that I am very happy I didn't spend the extra $400.00 for the 11 HP OHV engine for my model. 

I posted something in the wrong place, but I just fixed it.  I also do recall you mentioning the altitude issue somewhere.  Altitude really makes for some horrible numbers. 

Ben

but you will also notice horsepower numbers are taken at 60 degrees...not much need for a snowblower then.

at realistic temp you will actually be making up for some lost power...when its cold the air is denser and you get a better burn.

the engines are also rated with all there emmisions carbs and if muffler has a calalyst in it then it must be installed.

most engines are tested without a muffler...or with a stack.

any questions.

later chris

Hi Chris,

Well believe me, if the Boss fired everyone for disagreeing with him, I'd be out of a job along, long time ago...

You should see the bench he's designated for you.  It'll take you months just to find it under all the junk - no that's not the right word - crap - no, trash - no...well you get my point.

There's a power saw sitting there from 1950 and a 36 volt generator - so your work is all ready cut out for ya - when shall we expect you to be arriving?

Sherri

If you don't have free speech, what do you have?

Well believe me, if the Boss fired everyone for disagreeing with him, I'd be out of a job along, long time ago...

Hey Sherri,

That's good to know, thanks.  Hey, I love working on the old stuff, I'll get that Saw and Generator working in no time.

BTW...I'm actually buried under all that stuff.  The other day, while kneeling down trying to clean the place up, someone rolled a big heavy snowblower over my back and pinned me there.  I wish someone would come and help me, the tire chains are still digging into the back of my head