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robertcoats
Joined: Dec 12, 2011
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Re: In search of a top gun lawnmower
Reply #2 Mar 28, 2013 10:43 am |
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Four of the top six mowers in the latest consumer reporting magazine are Honda models.
• HRX models have NeXite (composite) decks, six year warranty, lifetime warranty on the deck, 190cc engine • HRR models have conventional steel decks, four year warranty, 160cc engine
• Both have versions with variable speed, blade clutch (blades stop, engine keeps running), Clip Director (flip a lever for easy mulch/bag switch), electric start, and all models have twin blades (exceptional cut quality and finish).
• All are mfg by Honda at a Honda plant in North Carolina.
-Robert@Honda Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354
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Re: In search of a top gun lawnmower
Reply #3 Mar 29, 2013 12:41 am |
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Do you have a Snapper dealer nearby? If so, go look at one of their Commercial "Ninja Blade" walk behinds. I can't say if they've changed since B&S took over but ones built prior to that are loved by lawn services. Built like a tank and run forever. I'm still using a 25 year old with a Wisconsin engine and it's perfect. They switched to Kawasaki engines but now I see they've changed to B&S Pro Series. It looks like they kept the steel-hubbed ball bearing wheels and the extra heavy decks. Not a consumer grade mower! Don't expect pretty with lots of features, and expect it to be heavy. But if you want a mower that'll last you for 15+ years and do an excellent cutting job, that was (and it looks like it still is) the one. Info: http://www.snapper.com/~/media/PDF/Snapper/Brochures/120201_2013_SNP_WB.pdf (starts on page 8)
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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robertcoats
Joined: Dec 12, 2011
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Re: In search of a top gun lawnmower
Reply #8 Apr 4, 2013 4:19 pm |
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Does anyone have any experiences withe the Smart drive on a Honda lawnmower? I here hydrostadic was good but when it fails you will do better just buying another lawnmower, cost to replace is to high. I do not know if ther commercial units share the same hydrostadic drive or not. Smart Drive was introduced by Honda a few years ago. Early versions used an internal cone-style clutch, current versions use a slipping belt-style clutch. Smart Drive has a single rotary control that can adjusted like a tilt-wheel on a car. The control was created with a considerable ergonomic design process. Smart Drive is available on both the steel-deck HRR series mowers and some HRX (polymer/NeXite-deck) mowers. A replacement Smart Drive transmission has a retail price of $98.97. When installed on an HRR model, it has a 4-year consumer warranty, but if on an HRX model, the warranty is 6-years. Hydrostatic drive (a.k.a. Cruise Control) has been used on many Honda mowers for 20+ years. It's a proven and reliable design, albeit more complex and costly to replace. It does offer two controls, one to set the maximum speed, then other to control the speed from 0 - maximum set point. Cruise Control is only available on Honda HRX and commercial HRC models. On the HRX, the hydrostatic drive is driven by a constant-tension belt. On the HRC, a driveshaft is used. A replacement hydrostatic transmission (HRX models) retails for $134.79, and has a 6-year consumer warranty on HRX models, 2-years commercial warranty on HRC models. -Robert@Honda Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
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Re: In search of a top gun lawnmower
Reply #9 Apr 4, 2013 9:58 pm |
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Just get the one without the hydrostatic transmission model (HRX217KVA) if hydro reliability is a question. +1 There's no need for a hydro on a lawnmower. Get something you can fix rather than just replace very expensive parts. A quick google on the HRX217HYA showed the transmission was available only as a unit (no individual parts) and was $200 and two weeks to ship at one place, out of stock at two others.
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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aa335
Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: In search of a top gun lawnmower
Reply #10 Apr 4, 2013 10:53 pm |
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One of the local repair shops mentioned about the high costs of replacing cables on Honda lawnmower. The cables seems to be a frequent problem for these mowers, not sure why. Does anybody know if this is true? Robert Coats provided some costs for transmission parts, but make sure you take into account of the labor costs for the repairs too.
As Robert Coats mentioned about the Honda Smart Drive being a slipping belt clutch, this seems to be the same as Toro Personal Pace drive. It is very simple and effective. The only difference between the Honda Smart Drive and Personal Pace is the user interface. If the drive system goes bad, just swap out the belt and make some adjustments. I have the Toro Super Recycler and it's been working fine, very simple and intuitive to use.
I don't think the hydrostatic trans on a walkbehind mower is really needed or an advantage. Honda touts this as a cruise control, which doesn't really match my mowing style. I am never in a cruise control mode, I am constantly varying my speed as there are lot of trimming near edges, making lots of turns. For me, having to constantly fiddle with the speed lever on the hydro trans will become quite annoying. I have hydro trans on my Honda snowblower which I like a lot, but I do not want it on a walkbehind lawnmower.
One more thing, you will have to choose whether you want the mower to excel at bagging or mulching. A lot of mowers advertised as being able to both mulch or bag, or a combination of (Honda clip director). One mower deck and blade cannot excel at both bagging and mulching. My Toro Super Recycler is very good at mulching, but very pathetic at bagging performance. This is even after changing to a high lift cutting blade. The deck design is too shallow and the internal baffles doesn't create much of a vacuum.
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