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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354
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Distance vs power
Original Message Feb 6, 2013 11:36 am |
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The issue discussed in the Snow Commander thread raise an interesting concern. Trading distance for torque is a tough decision, and I think a lot of people pay too much attention to throwing distance. It depends almost entirely on the type of snow you get in your location and the layout of your property. For example: Where I am we usually get light powdery snow in the middle of winter, but starting now we see wet and heavy snow for Feb. and March. Half of my driveway is single width and runs through a wooded area. 15' is more than enough distance and almost any blower will do that. I don't mind if it's piled up near the driveway or on the lawn, as long as it's off the driveway. I'd rather have a strong blower there so I don't have to nibble at it by taking less-than-full-width cuts. Conversely, the top 45' of my driveway is extremely wide, because I have a paved parking area to the side of the garage and a turnaround below it. It's about 40' wide at that point so you need distance! So big roostertails don't impress me. What impresses me is a machine going full width into deep snow at a good rate of speed; one that's capable of moving large volumes quickly. Power! But if you don't get a lot of deep snow, it can be fun. (as long as it's not being blown by the wind back onto already cleared areas!) Someone here once posted a video and their driveway was between two houses, the was no way to blow to the side. In that case, distance is very important because you have to toss it far out to the front and once you're past the houses, then you can reblow it to the side. Reblowing is not fun, it hits and packs. The further it goes the less that hits in a given area. IN that case, distance is more important, so trading power for speed is worthwhile. I'd like to see someone market a machine with a two speed impeller. High speed for the light snowfalls, but able to be geared down when you get dumped on hard with the wet heavy stuff. I doubt that will happen because of the extra cost, but it would be nice.
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354
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Re: Distance vs power
Reply #8 Feb 6, 2013 8:29 pm |
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I am done buying snowblowers. My 3 car garage is full with two cars, 7 bicycles, two Honda snowblwers and one Honda lawnmower. No mas! Haha, me too. I have a 48" 21HP single stage, it's more than capable of anything I'll ever have to do. Breaking News: They just posted the warning an hour ago -- up to 24" of heavy snow Friday and possible blizzard conditions on Saturday. Bring it on!
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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aa335
Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434
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Re: Distance vs power
Reply #11 Feb 6, 2013 9:10 pm |
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I am done buying snowblowers. My 3 car garage is full with two cars, 7 bicycles, two Honda snowblwers and one Honda lawnmower. No mas! If you wanted to get more snowblowers because thats what you like, build a shed, put the bicycles and the lawnmower there during the winter. Swap the snowblowers out to the shed during the non-snowing seasons. Depending on how high the ceiling in your garage, you can get a pulley operated lift tray to store non used items off the ground. I put in a 5x5 foot tray for my sister to store OPE. The lawnmower goes up there during the winter, the snowblower goes up there during the grass growing seasons.
This message was modified Feb 6, 2013 by aa335
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longboat
Joined: Feb 11, 2009
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Re: Distance vs power
Reply #14 Feb 7, 2013 9:20 am |
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I'm in a rural area, so I only have one good reason for throwing distance. Some winters we can get a lot of snow. Those winters are usually cool enough that the snow sticks around and doesn't melt until spring. Once you start piling snow up on the edge of your driveway, pretty soon you have 4' - 5' snowbanks lining the driveway and it becomes more difficult to throw snow OVER that high snowbank. Moreoverly, those high banks cause MORE snow to drift in onto your driveway, exacerbating your cleaning problems. Now, with global climate change, this is becoming less of an issue. Sure, we get greater snowfalls, but they usually melt within a few weeks.
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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354
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Re: Distance vs power
Reply #16 Feb 8, 2013 9:40 pm |
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From my experience, power equals distance and I'll take as much as I can get of each. Heh, we always want as much as we can get, the Tim Taylor in all of us :) I was referring to distance as a function of impeller tip speed (high RPMs) and power as being able to go into a deep pile without dying (torque). Sort of like comparing 2nd and 4th gears. In the last 7 years we've had 3 where we got 100" of snow, the average being 70. The first time we had that I ran into a problem with snow banks near the end of the year, I was unable to throw over the 7' or so banks from up close. I ended up blowing it sideways to an area where it wasn't so high and then reblowing it off to the side. Since that episode, I always start my piles a little further back so it won't happen again. I try to keep poles out so I can tell where the edge of the driveway is ... ever since that time I plowed a tree stump (oops). I run the blower exactly on the line no matter how deep it gets there. After my neighbor drove into the ditch I make extra sure that all the reflectors down at that end of the driveway are always visible too.
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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aa335
Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Distance vs power
Reply #17 Mar 14, 2015 12:11 am |
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The HS1336is is a showcase product. Honda knows they won't sell many, but it's a way to show what Honda can do, and is specifically good at showing off the high-tech iGX engine. There's always a market for the best, but most customers for this unit so far are commerical / civil operators (ski resorts, for example).
As long as the 2-stage products are continued to be built in Japan, the exchange rate will dramatically impact the wholesale and retail prices. When the designers, engineers, and marketing teams all try and build a new unit based on $1 = 110 yen, but when it's time to build and ship them, the dollar only gets 85 yen, prices must rise to even break even, much less provide much profit for the dealers, I would love to see Honda make a 2-stage model here in the USA, where costs can be more closely controlled and planners can not worry about currency exchange rates.
The Canada-model HS928TDC is nice, but the battery can become a service issue for customers in the USA who would not use the unit as often as our neighbors up north. AC/120V starters will continue to be the norm on those US models that offer electric start.
The HS621 has a cult following. It was somewhat over-engineered, and eventually became too pricy to continue importing it.
My crystal ball tells me there will be changes to the Honda SB line-up...just can't say what or when for now!
-Robert@Honda Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone Digging up an old dead horse here Robert. I'm quoting you from two years ago. But is there any info you can shed on that new 28" 2-stage snowblower, perhaps named HS1128is?
This message was modified Mar 14, 2015 by aa335
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