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raysmd
Joined: Nov 3, 2012
Points: 24
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Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Original Message Nov 4, 2012 8:10 pm |
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So, there not much snow in the midatlantic (VA), but there was the occasional snow storm with more than 2 feet of snow. I'm contemplating a single stage Toro 621 vs a HS928TAS. Big difference in price, I know. I hate to buy the Toro then realize that it's not enough when the snow is piling on. The Honda is just overkill for my area though.
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FrankMA
Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #5 Nov 5, 2012 9:59 am |
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Have you considered buying one machine new and the other as used off of Craigs List? Lots of good deals once spring rolls around and people begin to focus on lawn tractors and other summertime OPE. This would fly a bit easier with your boss (wifey) and get you both a single stage and 2 stage for whatever comes your way.
Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
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aa335
Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #7 Nov 5, 2012 10:26 am |
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I definitely realize the single stage is quite sufficient for me. Last year there wasn't even any snow. Usually there's less than 2 feet of snow throughout the year. Driveway is about 200 feet long. 2 cars can be parked side by side to give you an idea of width. It is on an incline, close to 30 degrees, maybe a little more. haha, 2 machines would be great. Doubt the wife will go for that. Storage and finances are ok. I guess I was just looking for a reason to buy the track drive Honda so that it would be easier to go back up the inclined driveway. it's not easy justifying certain tools. thanks " Driveway is 200 feet long...incline, close to 30 degrees" the grade just seems so much worse comes winter time. That's reason enough to buy a tracked snowblower. My single stage snowblower at 90 pounds with the rubber paddles has no trouble accellerating down a slope with me behind the handles. Definitely fun but scary when there's no control of the slide. " It's not easy justifying certain tools"...have your wife and kids come outside and clear the snow on days they need to get to work and to school. It's not so easy to use the wrong tools for the job when the weather is beating down on you.
This message was modified Nov 5, 2012 by aa335
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FrankMA
Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #8 Nov 5, 2012 12:10 pm |
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"It's not easy justifying certain tools"...have your wife and kids come outside and clear the snow on days they need to get to work and to school. It's not so easy to use the wrong tools for the job when the weather is beating down on you.
That's the tact I have used in the past and it almost always brings an end to any further discussion about whether or not (fill in OPE choice here) is needed. You need to have the right tools for the job at hand, especially as you get older. Another way to justify the cost of OPE is to amortize the cost over the expected service life of the equipment. A $ 2,500.00 purchase with an expected service life of twenty years is $ 125.00/year. A big 2 stage snowblower in your neck of the woods however, might be a bit harder to justify than where I live. Last winter was a bust as far as snow goes but the year before (winter 2010 - 2011) I logged about 35 - 40 hard hours on my 2 stage machine.
Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
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borat
Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #10 Nov 5, 2012 1:25 pm |
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If I'm expected to keep the driveway clear, I expect to have the required equipment to do the job. In my younger years, it was a shovel. When we moved into the present house with the big driveway, I could keep up with minor amounts of snow. However, with a big dump, there's no way I'd get it done, particularly if we had to get to work. Accordingly, machinery is required. Now that I'm older, even a large two stage machine can be taxing. It's not a walk in the park that's for sure. Normally, after an hour or more of wrestling with the Simplicity, I need to change my clothes due to sweat. Can't blame that on getting older. I'd get just as wet 30 years ago and I was very fit. Personally, I find a large two stage machine easier to use when there's enough snow to warrant it's use. Using the two stage for small amounts of snow means the machine works less but I'm still working just as hard controlling it. Hence my recent appreciation for single stage machines. I had never owned one before two years ago and now wouldn't be without one. That's why I've scooped up all three Tecumseh powered SS machine I've seen posted in local ads.
I just got back in from going over the $30.00, 2006 Murray I picked up last summer. When I bought it, I cleaned the carb and spark plug, fired it up then put it away. Today, I opened up the housing, checked out the engine mount, belt drive system and paddles. This machine is almost mint. Paddles and drive belt show very little wear. I put in some fresh fuel and fired it up on the first pull. The engine has tons of compression and runs strong. Responds crisply to throttle input and revs up impressively. From what I've seen of it so far, it seems that it might even be stronger than to old '97 Craftsman, which is virtually the same machine albeit older.
What's interesting is that the Murray was built in China (engine built in USA). I don't see any difference in build quality between the USA built Craftsman and the Chinese built Murray. Both look very much the same. However, the Craftsman did have a seriously cracked engine mount which threw the pulley alignment off which caused belt destruction. The new mount I put on fixed that. What needs to be understood though is that the Craftsman seems to have seen a lot of hard use before I bought it and is quite a bit older. I plan to have the Murray first out so it will be seeing yeoman duty from now on or until it fails. We'll have to see if it will hold up as well as the old Craftsman. From what I've seen so far, I'm fairly positive that it will. I'll put the Craftsman on back yard duty and the MTD or Toro on the deck where they'll see considerably less work.
Will post a video of the Murray in action once we get some snow.
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Bill_H
Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #11 Nov 5, 2012 10:19 pm |
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For the price of a big Honda he could buy a Toro SS machine and a mid size Ariens or Toro. That's the route I'd go. One of each.
Another vote for that. Seems crazy to have a huge expensive machine you'll only need once every other year. Going one step further, you might even consider getting a Toro 2 stroke now if you can, and see how it performs in a big snow when you get it. If you're not happy with the performance, then buy a small 2 stage Ariens.
Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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raysmd
Joined: Nov 3, 2012
Points: 24
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Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #12 Nov 5, 2012 10:44 pm |
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I agree a single stage and 2-stage setup would be ideal. I've always been of the mind set, get the right tools for the job. Maybe buy the toro now and once I get that dreaded snow storm then I'll have my justification for buying the 2-stage thrower. so, I've found a Toro 221E for $580 shipped and a 221Q for $590 shipped. Really, get the 2-stroke over the new 621 (4-stroke)?
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