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JoelKlein
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While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Original Message Dec 25, 2011 9:50 am |
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Happy holidays every one! ... bought the toro 1028 OXE back in October, right after the very first early snow storm. Was not able to try it in snow... I added the startron stabilizer And filled up the tank with 93 octane. I tested the new baby, showed off without spinning augers... But now it's a long time unused. My question is: is it okay for the fuel to sit in the carb for such a long time? Thanks!
This message was modified Dec 25, 2011 by JoelKlein
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JoelKlein
I wonder how a 2021 snow blower will look like...
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #65 Jan 2, 2012 2:08 pm |
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Yea... at least borat is on my side… But honestly, I did believe my dealer and I got the “magic” additive. My goal is; To learn the basic insides of OPW so I can batter operate it and maintain it. Regarding the octane debate, I got here a 95% knowledge. But as far as stabilizer, I’m even MORE CONFUSED! Why? Keep on reading: This is from B&S site; http://www.briggsandstratton.com/engines/support/frequently-asked-questions/B%20and%20S%20Fresh%20Start%20Fuel%20Stabilizer%20-%20Features%20and%20Benefits/ Eliminates the need for end-of-season fuel draining. Not only is the draining of fuel an environmental concern but also keeping your fuel system wet with fuel prevents rubber seals and gaskets from drying out. Whether storing your fuel in the tank or in a container, it absolutely needs Fresh Start! - - - - - - - - - Got that? They are clearly saying that running the carburetor “dry” “will” cause damage to the rubber seals and gaskets!! Questions here: 1) Will a dry carb VOID manufacture Warrantee?! 2) Since they use the word “prevents” and not “may prevent” is a indication of a “For sure damage”; if so, why aren’t they list it properly under the warning paragraph in the owners manual? 3) Why in the world is draining of fuel an environmental concern? Is it more of a concern as an oil change?? 4) When a product can’t be prescribed normal and to the point, (like additives) advertisement of it is in need of bringing up negative concerns to use the human guilt feelings as a tool to up the sales… I’m waiting for answers…
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borat
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #67 Jan 2, 2012 4:55 pm |
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I've read more than a few accounts of people adding stabilizer to their fuel and still having trouble getting their machine to start/run right. I, on the other hand don't use stabilizer in any of my fuel and all of my stuff starts and runs fine. So, from my perspective and likely that of many others, fuel additives is just another way to get people to spend their hard earned money needlessly.
Just because B&S endorse a product, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work. B&S recommend Mobil 1 5W30 for my Kool Bore snow thrower engine and it eats it at an alarming rate. I switched to a convention 5W30 high mileage and oil consumption is down. Not eliminated but certainly less.
Most fuel additives are nothing more than a gimmick. Some may provide fuel stabilization for a while but even if it does, it will not cure bad fuel management.
Here's something to try. Take two containers of the same fuel and add stabilizer to one container only. Ensure that both are completely full and tightly sealed. Leave them for the same period of time, as long as you want. Take them out and test them to see what condition the fuel is in. Let us know how that turns out.
If a person doesn't have the wits to completely fill their fuel tanks for storage, they likely won't have the brains to buy and add fuel stabilizer either.
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trouts2
Location: Marlboro MA
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #69 Jan 2, 2012 7:14 pm |
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Ni per99, Doing that many machines a year you must fall onto many dead engines with carb bowls that have pushbutton drains. A simpleton can take care of his carb with a push button drain. The pushbutton bowl s I collect go on machines I fix-up to sell. A pushbutton kit is available for very little. I got four once and converted spare bowls to pushbuttons. Many people I sell to are first time buyers of a snowblowers and don’t have a clue about maintenance on any OPE. I give every buyer a printout of my “Guide to Eternal Happiness” which details what to do about gas for the season and storage (Don’t depend on additives). This year the machines I sold all come with a year startup guarantee. I tell them to use fresh gas, don’t depend on stabilizers and prep your machine when done for the season or leave gas in and start it occasionally.
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niper99
Location: London Ont
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #71 Jan 2, 2012 11:44 pm |
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trouts... 90% of all customers dont even know what a carb is!!! let alone drian fuel from it... and i do agree with u as not depending on stabilizer on its own...thats why in a previous post i mentioned that without using stabilizer in your fuel i would replace fuel after a 1 month...with stabilizer 2-3 tops... but the more often the better...once a month is a good rule of thumb....but the fact is people DONT do it.... and like i said i would tune up snowblower in the summer as a customer request... and by the time the snow starts flying they wont start... not all of them but id get 5 or 6 at least every year.... and that leaves me with a warranty....every since i started using stabilizer i ve maybe had one in the last 5 years...makes a pretty good believer in me.. wheather u believe it or not it ONLY COST $5-10 for the hole season....just for peace of mind its worth it...
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aa335
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #72 Jan 3, 2012 12:44 pm |
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wheather u believe it or not it ONLY COST $5-10 for the hole season....just for peace of mind its worth it... This reminds me of a buying experience at Best Buy. Cashier boy: "Would you like to buy the extended warranty for $4.99, covers you 5 years if you ever drop it or anything goes wrong, we replace it." Me: "No thanks, it's only a $15 alarm clock!, they're probably not going to make these old LED clocks anymore, what would you replace it with? An iphone?"
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JoelKlein
I wonder how a 2021 snow blower will look like...
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #73 Jan 3, 2012 1:51 pm |
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Speaking of iPhones, since Steve jobs died, apple is going down the drain. The latest release of iOS 5 is "Full" of memory leaks and bugs. I was an apple fan for over 13 years, till now when I feel of giving up my iPhone and switch over to android. Most common bugs; slower performance, poor battery life, lack off the new flash and last but not least, the "Home-button-not- responding bug" and apple is not even doing anything to it! Was not the case with S.J. even the new operating system Lion is full of bugs. And about their new final cut pro, which they "killed". So yeh... I'm not buying a warranty on my iPhone. With what will apple replace it with, android?!
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ralphfr
Location: Long Island, NY
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #74 Jan 3, 2012 2:15 pm |
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Ni per99, Doing that many machines a year you must fall onto many dead engines with carb bowls that have pushbutton drains. A simpleton can take care of his carb with a push button drain. The pushbutton bowl s I collect go on machines I fix-up to sell. A pushbutton kit is available for very little. I got four once and converted spare bowls to pushbuttons. Many people I sell to are first time buyers of a snowblowers and don’t have a clue about maintenance on any OPE. I give every buyer a printout of my “Guide to Eternal Happiness” which details what to do about gas for the season and storage (Don’t depend on additives). This year the machines I sold all come with a year startup guarantee. I tell them to use fresh gas, don’t depend on stabilizers and prep your machine when done for the season or leave gas in and start it occasionally. TROUTS2, As a true simpleton could you tell me where I could procure a pushbutton drain bowl for a 2011 Toro 221 with a 141cc R-Tek? Thanks.
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