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JoelKlein
I wonder how a 2021 snow blower will look like...
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While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Original Message Dec 25, 2011 9:50 am |
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Happy holidays every one! ... bought the toro 1028 OXE back in October, right after the very first early snow storm. Was not able to try it in snow... I added the startron stabilizer And filled up the tank with 93 octane. I tested the new baby, showed off without spinning augers... But now it's a long time unused. My question is: is it okay for the fuel to sit in the carb for such a long time? Thanks!
This message was modified Dec 25, 2011 by JoelKlein
Toro 1028 OXE
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Steve_Cebu
Joined: Dec 17, 2009
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #37 Dec 27, 2011 8:13 am |
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Simple 93 octane burns hotter, in a car this isn't much of an issue but in a small engine it could be. Also elevation affects engines and you need less octane or something bad happens. The safest thing you can do is run the right gas. In my Toro 1028 I run 87 octane from the local station. This works. If you already have 93 octane I guess run it until it you run out then buy 87 octane. Save your money. I can't imagine it doing any damage in the short term.
"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England." "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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fleetfoot
Joined: Jan 23, 2011
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #39 Dec 27, 2011 10:27 am |
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Using higher octane than recommended by the manufacturer will not damage your engine. There are no advantages to using higher octane than recommended by the manufacturer. The only difference between higher octane and lower octane is the ignition temperature. Use whatever octane fuel you wish to use as long as it meets the minimum octane requirements of the engine manufacturer. The one change you will see when using higher than recommended octane fuel is a lighter wallet. Regarding where to buy fuel, there are very few low volume gas stations anymore. The sale of gasoline is a low margin business. That is why it is sold mostly at stores with multiple sources of revenue, i.e. convenience store, restaurant, car wash, souvenir shop. It is very rare to get old gasoline out of the pump. The majority of gasoline is at most a few days old. All the gasoline within a fixed area comes from the same refinery. The refinery formulates the various octane grades of gasoline then adds the additive package of the particular company when filling the tanker truck. You will see tanker trucks from every gasoline company pulling in and out of your local refinery. So picking one gasoline company over another means you are picking one additive package over another but the basic gasoline is all the same within a given geographic area.
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carlb
Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #40 Dec 27, 2011 10:53 am |
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Okay, I fully understand why we cant use 87 octane in a high performance engine without damaging it. . But you still didn't explain why we can't use 93 octane In a low Compression engine! You wrote that it may Contain some elements, what are those elemants? To worst it can happen is $$$$ in trash! But damage???? Or make it perform worse?! Due to its design high octane fuel is designed to to ignite at higher compression levels as to not detonate or auto-ignite in a high compression engine. It also has a slower burn rate and a slower moving flame front. This will cause a loss of power in a lower compression engine as the fuel will start to burn later and will be burning slower, still burning after the piston reaches BDC, effectively reducing the amount of power extracted out of the fuel. You could advance the ignition timing to help solve this problem but you still wont get any more power out of the engine. The net result will be wasted unburnt fuel, loss of power, and even carbon buildup on the exhaust valve that after a while will lower compression even more due to the valve not being able to seal the combustion chamber. I suggest you run what ever octane you like in your engine, however, running 93 octane in an engine designed for 87 is not only a waste of money is will surely cause a stock low compression engine to loose power and even carbon up. Did you ever hear the saying use the right tool for the job. 87 octane is the right tool for a low compression engines period. Higher compression engines require higher octane to prevent Pre-ignition/detonation. I have been running 87 octane fuel in my small engines for over 30 years with no problems. If you want real high octane (short of buying racing fuel) gas get some 100LL (available at small local airports) it even still has tetraethyllead in it. I run Avgas (100 LL) in my 11.8 compression 434 cubic inch 69 camaro which makes over 625hp at the rear wheels. It has a very sweet smell when burned and is blue in color
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aa335
Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #41 Dec 27, 2011 12:16 pm |
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This is my technique for the past two years. I don't use any fuel stabilizers on 87 octane fuel. I try to fill up with enough gas per snowblower session, and run the carb dry if possible by shutting off the fuel valve. If any of the gas in the external tanks is older than 30 days, I put the in the wife's car, then get fresh fuel. So far so good. I don't feel like spending money on fuel additives or higher octane fuel if I don't have to. If it works for me, I will keep doing this until I see any problems. Also, like Borat has mentioned before, if you must store fuel in the tanks for extended amount of time, fill it up to the top as much as possible reduce air volume in the tank, keep the cap tight. This is the recommended method for metal gas tanks or cans, to prevent rusting. Anyways, if you feel like spending more for additives or octanes gives you the warm and fuzzy feeling, that's fine with me. This sometimes can create a "stimulus package" to the economy, a monetary policy, which has indirect benefits. Sometimes people spend money on intangible, immeasureable, or neglible "benefits". Everybody's perception is different so if you "perceive" the benefits, by all means do it. I used to spend $1000 on speaker cables, I can't say I appreciate or notice the difference these days, but back then, it was worth it to me. :) Not that the $1000 speaker cables sounded even at least 2 times better than a $100 speaker cables, that was never the case. Mankind can only do so much to create the perfect copper crystalline structure. :) And you'll be amazed how a glass of red wine improves the sound quality of any system. Still waiting for snow here too. There hasn't been significant snowfall to even break out a shovel. The weather has been like early April, lots of rain.
This message was modified Dec 27, 2011 by aa335
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carlb
Joined: Nov 16, 2010
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #46 Dec 29, 2011 7:06 am |
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Hay guys, you convinced me... No More 93 in the snow blower. I'm even thinking of draining the 93 from the 1028. So it won't burn hotter, or create slow flames, and build up carbon, and etc... The SB is brand new and I want to keep it that way. But I do know that regular 87 have waste in it that can accumulate. What can I do to keep the fuel lines and the piston chamber CLEAN? Including my Toyota sequoia ? Joel, The only difference between 87 and 93 octane is the additive package that is added after the gas is refined. If anything the 87 octane has less in it the the 93 octane fuel. I suggest you run what the manufacture calls for in your particular engine and not let it worry you. As far as the 93 octane you now have in your blower, just use it, it will be fine, but for long term use, use the fuel the manufacturer calls for. Carl
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