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JoelKlein
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While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Original Message Dec 25, 2011 9:50 am |
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Happy holidays every one! ... bought the toro 1028 OXE back in October, right after the very first early snow storm. Was not able to try it in snow... I added the startron stabilizer And filled up the tank with 93 octane. I tested the new baby, showed off without spinning augers... But now it's a long time unused. My question is: is it okay for the fuel to sit in the carb for such a long time? Thanks!
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FrankMA
Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #25 Dec 26, 2011 5:30 pm |
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I agree 100%. But the Manuel states it needs gas from a GOOD gas station. What in world does it mean? I would guess they mean Shell, Mobil, Sunoco, etc... as corporate policy would most likely set standards to ensure a high quality product is maintained and delivered.
Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
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JoelKlein
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #29 Dec 26, 2011 8:00 pm |
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Injectors, air cleaners and headers will do nothing to increase compression ratios.
Higher octane fuels can help hp when the if the ecu can advance the timing by helping the engine not have pre-ignition or ping thus increasing hp a bit.
Most engines will not see any difference in performance or gas milage using high octane fuel. In fact a low compression engine (8:1)will probably run worse on high octane gas.
According to you. High octane will make the engine worse. Why? And how? Pls explain. Thanks
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niper99
Location: London Ont
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #31 Dec 26, 2011 9:34 pm |
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Why so much obsession over fuel?
Thirty days and it's going bad? I'd believe that if it's left out in the open in a water pail.
I have gas in containers out at my camp that sits for six month and often eight months without ever having a problem with it. Keep it in an air tight container and it will be fine for months on end without fuel stabilizer. Particularly in cold weather. Even if it's left in the fuel tank of a machine it's good for months.
I've got untreated gasoline sitting in the fuel tank of the B&S engine on my Simplicity snow blower that been in there since the beginning of November. That's almost two months already. Two pumps on the primer, one pull of the cord, engine fired right up and runs as per usual, great.
Waaaaay too much anxiety about fuel and necessity for bogus stabilizers. If you want to eliminate your fuel problems, it starts by ensuring you're getting clean gasoline at the pump. Every time I've encountered a fuel issue it's from freshly purchased contaminated gas. Never had a problem, ever, from fuel that's been sitting in a fuel tank or container for a few months.
In my shop it would be safe to say that at least 50% of all "No Starts" that come into the shop every year are from STALE FUEL... Thats why u should 100% run stabilizer in your fuel.... and at the cost of stabilizer $1.50 / 10L of gas, makes for pretty cheap insurance...
As far as "Getting BAD Gas" lve been in business for Ten years this year and service approx 300 machines every year and i RARELY come across "BAD GAS" maybe twice in my Ten years have i even seen it...so its extremely unlikely u will get bad gas... what is more likely is stale fuel... For example before i started using stabilizer about 6 years ago i would tune up customers snowblowers in the spring or even mid to late october and they wouldn't start them till the first snow in january and i would get a call saying it wont start...so i'd drive out to there place to find out that the fuel has gone stale.. drian the old fuel out put new in and it starts right up...so after about 15 calls in one season i started using stabilizer and lve never had a problem since. l use 87 octane fuel, l have tried 94 octane but didn't see any benifit from using the higher octane, so why pay 94 when 87 does the same job without any drawbacks..
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borat
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #32 Dec 26, 2011 11:33 pm |
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Well, I own probably 40 pieces of equipment from OPE, to outboard motors, to ATVs, to snowmobiles, to motorcycles, to cars and trucks. Never an issue with stale fuel. However, I do proper maintenance and drain fuel from equipment that will be stored for long durations. Nonetheless, I still keep fuel in plastic five gallon containers at my camp for six to eight months and it works just as fine as fresh fuel. So, the stories about fuel going bad in one month sound a bit contrary to my experience. I would wager that the stale fuel your customers experience is much more than 30 days old and likely much older. I would also wager that it was kept in a fuel tank that was left less than 1/4 full. Under those conditions, it has room to evaporate and deteriorate. If their tanks were kept either right empty or completely full before storage, and they ran their carbs dry, they probably would not have had a problem. And I stopped using stabilizers ten or fifteen years ago. Haven't regretted it yet.
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niper99
Location: London Ont
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Re: While I wait for the snow, what about the fuel?
Reply #34 Dec 27, 2011 3:32 am |
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For example just last week i had a 2008 ariens come in NO START the lady says she started it a couple of months ago to move it in the garage... went to start last week and it wont start.. this is a tecumseh 6hp ohv...anyways all i did was drian the old fuel out and put new in and it started first pull.. and this could of been pervented if she used stabilizer..of course she had no idea what stabilizer even is.. and thats a good example of a snowblower that started only a couple months of ago.. of course lm not saying that will happen to every snowblower but is it worth the risk for a couple of dollaurs for stabilizer?? And for the customer sake its just makes things easier then they dont half to remember "should i leave fuel in it" "half or full" "how long is fuel good for" all these questions are gone if they just use stabilizer, then they have no worries at least in regards to storage and fuel.. most new briggs mowers are coming with stabilizer (replacable cartiridge) built in the fuel caps...because they've had so many problems with stale fuel causing no starts... it just makes sense.. thats my opinion.
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