Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

For single stage users, can these be used on end of driveway hard chunks? I hear you can break it up first with a shovel but seems there would still be hard chunks. Would it beat up the machine? I live in New England and because of several different factors I have to compromise and the single stage Toro 621 would be my best compromise right now. I have a driveway that is a little over 2 cars long and do a run of about 10 yards by the mailbox all EOD and clear out an area going to the deck in back on one side and for the oil man on the other that would both be over grass one about 10 yards long and the other about 15 yards long. Have you ever done EOD with one of these.

    The video does not seem to be any big conspiracy.  It gives a fairly accurate portrayal of the difference between the two machines based on my experience with 2450’s and CCR2000’s. 

 

    The guy is struggling with the EOD and doing quite a bit of pushing once clear of the EOD.  On the sections where the snow is lower than the SS’s buck top he’s still doing quite a bit of pushing.  It’s much better than shoveling.  He got the job done and that would be enough for many people.  Many would describe that as “I have no problem”.  For others it would be too much effort. 

 

   Knee_Biter say he has “no problem with large amounts of EOD”.  He a bit north of me and on average gets more snow.  The 2450’s I’ve used have big problems handling EOD here requiring much more work than what the guy in the video is doing.  How can it be KB says it’s “no problem”?  Maybe for him that amount of work is a trivial issue.  For me I want the experience the women in the video is having, mostly guiding the machine along.

 

   Every storm here I start out with a single stage clearing out to the garage.  It’s no problem.  I’m fresh and some pushing there is ok.  But it gets old quickly when I use it for the rest of the area in bigger snow greater than 3-4 inches and especially the EOD. 

 

    If you don’t mind doing a lot of pushing and struggling an SS is fine.  They’re easy to get out and use, simpler maintenance, back up fast, and easy to store.  Putting up with a little effort to get the good points is worth it to many.  At least for me the price of new SS’s is off the map.  A better value to me would be a small or mid-level two stage.

   The initial post asked about chunks and described his clearing area. EOD chunks would be a big problem for an SS.  The driveway is pretty small so some effort there with an SS would not be so much of a big deal.  The EOD section would get old quick unless you don’t mind like KB.  The paths would be a problem also.  They would be somewhat ok when the ground is frozen as the machine would bounce along with uneven ground but for the beginning and end of winter you would be tearing up lawn. 

borat wrote:  x 2 Thats an infomercial like the guy that cant cook eggs or peel potatos he's a duefus unless he has this product. How many times do you blow from the street in. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. You could pull the SS out of the truck and be halfway done before you could unload a 2 stage. You can pull a SS right through a drift and start anywhere you want. Just as from the begining of time the right tool for the right job

FullThrottle wrote:
It is kind of funny the way the guy makes it look like he's struggling so hard to make the SS work the EOD slop. Very smart marketing as well using a woman to operate the SnoTek in order to show how easy it is to use and manipulate. Most women are scared of 2 stage machines (I know my sister is) so having a woman using that equipment kind of takes the edge off of that a bit.

FrankMA wrote:
True, but all she was doing is holding on the handles, wiggle up and down, wiggle left and right.  Basically using fast twitch muscles.  Let's see how well she fares negotiating turns near obstacles, shifting gears to match snow conditions, and reversing, or even setting the scraper bar height.  :)  Or even finding a place to park in a crowded garage.  That's the part of owning a 2 stage machine that isn't shown.

The video is smart marketing, although deceptive and skewed.

Better yet, let's see how she looks after two hours wrestling with a big two stage machine.  I know that after cleaning a large snowfall, I have to change all of my clothes because they're usually soaked with sweat and I'm in pretty good shape.   Two stage machines certainly have their place.  However, from my experience a SS machine seems to see far more work than my large frame Simplicity.  

It's nice to have both and when you think of it, if you have the space, you should.  I think I paid $75.00 for that old Craftsman SS machine and it's an excellent little snow mover when the rpms are cranked up.

Tried to put in a hyper link but it doesn't work.  You'll have to cut and paste.

This is what $75.00 can do for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5SUqWz0j8w

People think that because you're using a piece of OPE that what you're doing is an easy task. They fail to realize that it just makes the arduous task a bit easier than it used to be before OPE. I'm in pretty good shape and can say first hand that if you're not able to bull around a 250 lb. machine for 2 - 3 hours at a time after a 24" snow storm, you better farm out your snow clearing duties to someone who is up to the task. I come in after clearing a typical mid-winter New England snowstorm and am soaked in sweat and beat down like a dog. A quick shower and 2 shots of brandy (not neccessarily in that order) and I'm about ready for the rack.

Ha, I'm glad I'm not the only one. My 2-stage sure beats shoveling, that's for sure! But I'll admit that I'd kind of had enough after clearing the driveway after a few of the storms last winter. Between wrestling it around at the end of a pass, or fighting with it to keep it going straight, it still takes something out of you. I'm hoping that the new blower, with a differential, will make it so I'm not fighting the machine as much.

borat, nice video! I'm still considering rigging up a throttle "override" like you did. But I want to see how my SS performs "stock" first. As long as I won't destroy the engine by revving it higher, then I don't have a problem doing it.

Yo Red:

If the engine is in any kind of decent condition, it should handle the revs.  Two cycle engines love to rev.  No valves, cams, springs or rockers to worry about. 

That engine of yours might be a bit tricky to over-ride the governor.  Vane type governors don't offer much resistance and will require a light touch.  The Tecumseh engines I have are equipped with mechanical governors which are easy to rig and use.  If you do manage to get yours rigged up, let us know how you do it. 

Your engine is 87 ccs right?   Do you know what the stock operating rpms are supposed to be?   I'd guess that it's probably around 4500 rpm or possibly more and likely rated for 3 h.p.   I'd estimate that if you spin it up to 6500 to 7000, the engine will put out closer to 5 h.p.  Nice little boost.  The difference will be noticeable.  Believe me.  That old Craftsman is pretty much limped dick running at 4000 rpm or less.  Totally different machine when the engine is spun up. 

I bought that machine back in January and it chewed up a belt shortly after buying it.  I took it in and opened it up to find a broken motor mount.  I fixed that and picked up a $7.00 belt at NAPA which was considerably cheaper than the $53.00 Sears wanted.   Many say that these cheaper belts won't hold up as well as the Craftsman belts.  Maybe so but, I ran the cheap belt all last year pretty hard and it's got a few hours on it this year already on an engine putting out close to double the power and much more speed.  It will be interesting to see how long it holds up.

We received about five or six inches of fairly light snow last night.  I did front and back driveways with the Craftsman.  That's pretty much the entire area that I need to be cleared and it's a fair bit.   Did it without a hitch.

  

My Toro 1028 is a gem to use and turns easily but it's still work doing the driveway in 1.5 hours and I am usually soaked either from sweating or blown snow or both.

It's fun to use but after a season I'm ready to put it away for another year.

Excellent memory & guesses, borat. It's 98cc, 3hp, the manual says 4300 RPM. I have the governor adjusted to 4600 RPM currently. You're correct, it has a vane-type governor. I'd thought about trying to find a way add a bit more tension to the governor spring, to raise the RPMs on demand.

It now occurs to me that I could sort of take the opposite approach. Mess with the governor to get it to, say, 6000 RPM. That way the max speed (the potentially damaging end of the spectrum) is still governed. Then add something to *lower* the speed on demand (that could potentially be simpler, since the idle stop would hopefully keep you from being able to go too low and stalling). One of my concerns with trying this is accidentally over-revving it. Either by being dumb, or having something like my cable get stuck, and winding it up to 10,000+ with no load. Might blow a connecting rod or something.

I'll try it in a storm or two first and see how it goes. Unfortunately, with the engine being completely buried under the big cover, you can't access any of this stuff without taking the machine apart. I can't even hook up a tachometer without opening it up. I guess I could have left a wire wrapped around the plug wire, and had it dangle out of the cover somewhere (so I could just alligator-clip the tach to that wire), but I didn't think of that at the time :) It does seem really weird to me to have the engine so inaccessible. Even just trying to do something like use starting fluid would be interesting, never mind simply pulling the spark plug to look at it. I never realized how much I take that for granted on 2-stages.