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borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Original Message   Nov 15, 2011 1:32 pm
So I mixed up a fresh batch of 40:1 fuel, filled the 221QE and fired it up.   It fired on the first pull then stopped.  I primed it some more, put the choke on full and fired it up again.  It ran fine but when I took the choke off, it slowed down to about 1/3rd it's operating speed.  Put the choke back on and it revved up to what sounded like normal operating speed.   I kept the choke on and let it run like that for a minute or so thinking the fuel system needs to be fully charged.  However, that wasn't the case.  I stopped the machine, tilted it forward, removed the float bowl and inspected it.  Nice and clean.  Then I pulled the main jet to inspect it.  I could see light through the orifice but wasn't sure of how big of a hole should be there.  You never know with jets.  Nonetheless, I ran a piece of thin wire through it then blew it out with compressed air.  I also blew out the passage in the carb where the jet goes.  After cleaning the jet, I took a good look at the orifice.  The amount of light passing through it indicated It was much larger after cleaning.  Approx. 2/3rds larger than when it was restricted.   Compared to many carbs I've worked on, It does have a rather large orifice. 

The strange thing is that I bought this machine new less than a year ago.  I ran it completely out of fuel before I stored it yet it still managed to develop enough varnish in the main jet to cause problems.  Go figure?  That's the first time I've had that kind of a problem with my own equipment.  I still have the two Tecumseh powered machines to fire up yet.  I'll  let you know how they fared. 
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blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #29   Nov 17, 2011 5:05 pm
aa335 wrote:
Seems like these newer OPE are too sensitive to fuel and carburetor problems.  All my Stihl 2 stroke handheld equipment have good power and torque but are a PITA to start when cold.  Many times I just want to dump them and get a 4 stroke Honda trimmer.



I got one last summer.35cc version.

It is powerful but the head is problematic.Also the plastic covering the engine and muffler area are brittle.I saw a hairline crack on muffler guard area plastic, I touched it, it broke.I returned the trimmer.

aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #30   Nov 17, 2011 5:10 pm
blumonster wrote:
I got one last summer.35cc version.

It is powerful but the head is problematic.Also the plastic covering the engine and muffler area are brittle.I saw a hairline crack on muffler guard area plastic, I touched it, it broke.I returned the trimmer.


I'm not fond of the new Honda 35cc trimmer.  The head is plastic, and the hard plastic handle has a lot of sharp flash.  Crappy injection molding.   You can see that time has stood still for Honda trimmer, no improvements, just cost reduction measures.  Stihl and Echo has better trimmers, with soft overmolded handles.

My father has the a 10 year old Honda trimmer (32cc)  with cast metal head and it's just perfect.  The engine was easy to start, quiet, and so smooth.  This is the one that I want, they don't make them anymore.
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blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #31   Nov 17, 2011 5:15 pm
aa335 wrote:
I'm not fond of the new Honda 35cc trimmer.  The head is plastic, and the hard plastic handle has a lot of sharp flash.  Crappy injection molding.   You can see that time has stood still for Honda trimmer, no improvements, just cost reduction measures.  Stihl and Echo has better trimmers, with soft overmolded handles.

My father has the a 10 year old Honda trimmer (32cc)  with cast metal head and it's just perfect.  The engine was easy to start, quiet, and so smooth.  This is the one that I want, they don't make them anymore.


We can always go craigslist hunting. :D
New_Yorker


Preach the Gospel always, use words when necessary

Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Nov 26, 2010
Points: 219

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #32   Nov 22, 2011 10:23 pm
I use white gas with stabil in all my small engine machines.  I drain them when finished, and have no problems.  Stabilized gas should be O-K for a year max.  I use the stuff up at least every 6 months.  BP-AMOCO premium is white gas.  After 11 years I had to wash and blow out the carb on my Little Wonder Leaf Blower.  It has a Honda GX270 engine rated at 9 HP.   The dirt from blowing leaves tends to get into everything eventually no matter how carefully you try to store it.  Once i did the carb clenaer it again ran like new.
ralphfr


Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Jan 22, 2011
Points: 40

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #33   Nov 23, 2011 1:06 pm
Hello fellow Long Islander. I haven't heard the term "white gas" in years! I remember my father talking about it and the only place to get it was at an Amoco station which I believe is now owned or partnered with BP. This was in the days of leaded gasoline so I'm wondering what was the difference between Amoco's premium and the others? Do you remember?

You're scaring me with the idea of needing a snowblower with a 16" auger here on Long Island.     Is there something we should know about this upcoming winter??? 

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #34   Nov 23, 2011 1:55 pm
I have yet to see any picture of New_Yorker's snowblower.  If he is truly using white gas then he has a white Honda snowblower too.  Perhaps you guys can have a play day for your snowblowers in Long Island.  It would be great if you can take a picture of New_Yorker's white Honda snowblower.
carlb


Joined: Nov 16, 2010
Points: 279

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #35   Nov 23, 2011 2:07 pm
MN_Runner wrote:
I have yet to see any picture of New_Yorker's snowblower.  If he is truly using white gas then he has a white Honda snowblower too.  Perhaps you guys can have a play day for your snowblowers in Long Island.  It would be great if you can take a picture of New_Yorker's white Honda snowblower.

I think it uses stealth technology and may not be able to be photographed.
ralphfr


Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Jan 22, 2011
Points: 40

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #36   Nov 23, 2011 4:09 pm
Found the answer to the white gas question. Apparently this was the first gasoline manufactured without lead or red/orange dye. It was big with muscle car owners in the 60's and early 70's. I thought the older engines needed lead to lubricate the valves. Guess not. My father bought a '67 FairlaneGT with a 390cid v8 as a mid-life crisis toy so that's probably why I recall hearing about it.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #37   Nov 23, 2011 4:11 pm
ralphfr wrote:
Found the answer to the white gas question. Apparently this was the first gasoline manufactured without lead or red/orange dye. It was big with muscle car owners in the 60's and early 70's. I thought the older engines needed lead to lubricate the valves. Guess not. My father bought a '67 FairlaneGT with a 390cid v8 as a mid-life crisis toy so that's probably why I recall hearing about it.

That's why it needs "white gas".  Any other fuel will give it away.  Wonder if it uses white oil too.  Maybe melted whale lard??? 
ralphfr


Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Jan 22, 2011
Points: 40

Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #38   Nov 23, 2011 4:36 pm
borat wrote:
That's why it needs "white gas".  Any other fuel will give it away.  Wonder if it uses white oil too.  Maybe melted whale lard??? 


What does that even mean?
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