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bus708


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LCT & BRIGGS?
Original Message   Oct 22, 2011 8:28 pm
I took a good look at an Ariens with a LCT  engine today. Does Briggs  have something going on with LCT? I see original Briggs parts on  the Ariens 208cc engine built by LCT
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royster


" It is the use of power tools that separates man from animals"

Location: New Brunswick, Canada
Joined: Feb 11, 2011
Points: 284

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #23   Nov 13, 2011 11:41 am
blumonster wrote:
I love made in Japan products.Quality is their highest value, they respect their customers, they respect themselves. They have not flooded our country.We need more.Unfortunately Yen is overvalued now, it is hurting their exports.They are being forced to outsource as a result.

Briggs,Tecumseh etc. were not high quality, reliable engines even when they were built in the US. An inferior quality item can be passed as quality to Americans. GM,Chrysler and Ford have done this for decades.People liked getting burnt over and over again.

As for made in China items, I see them as a waste of resources for the time being.If/when they put quality before quantity I might change my mind.But I do not call them names, I just try not to buy anything made in China as a way of doing my individual part.

If I am able to choose country of origin for an item (not engines only, in general) I look for made in Japan first, if it is not available I look for made in Germany,USA,Canada.I prefer Malaysia,Indonesia,VietNam over made in China. 


A lot of Japan products have only a perceived quality.    Toyota is a good example.      They have had many hidden recalls on their cars and trucks. A friend of mine had his 2011  Camry into the dealer to have an oil and filter change.   He wondered why the service took so long to do.   After waiting for several hours, he decided to go into the garage area of the servive department.  
 He found out that they had his car's engine partially dissassembled and the bottom off the automatic transmission. .  He went to the Service Manager and it was explained to him that there were several recalls that needed to be done on the Camry.   My friend was upset because he had never received a notice about his car being recalled.  The Service Manager finally explained that Toyota has had a lot of recalls but the dealer is told to hide them and to do them when the car is in for regular service.  The reason that these recalls on the Camry were caught  was because when they worked on his car, the correct parts had not been ordered in for this particular recall.

Yes, Toyota owners stand behind their Toyota vehicles,  It is not safe to stand in front of them.

I had a Tecumseh engine on my snowblower, It only ran  reliable  for 23 years.Then I could no longer get parts for it.

This message was modified Nov 13, 2011 by royster


blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #24   Nov 13, 2011 12:22 pm
carlb wrote:


So they know people do not like seeing 'made in China' label on products. Designed in :D
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #25   Nov 13, 2011 12:27 pm
royster wrote:
A lot of Japan products have only a perceived quality.    Toyota is a good example.      They have had many hidden recalls on their cars and trucks. A friend of mine had his 2011  Camry into the dealer to have an oil and filter change.   He wondered why the service took so long to do.   After waiting for several hours, he decided to go into the garage area of the servive department.  
 He found out that they had his car's engine partially dissassembled and the bottom off the automatic transmission. .  He went to the Service Manager and it was explained to him that there were several recalls that needed to be done on the Camry.   My friend was upset because he had never received a notice about his car being recalled.  The Service Manager finally explained that Toyota has had a lot of recalls but the dealer is told to hide them and to do them when the car is in for regular service.  The reason that these recalls on the Camry were caught  was because when they worked on his car, the correct parts had not been ordered in for this particular recall.

Yes, Toyota owners stand behind their Toyota vehicles,  It is not safe to stand in front of them.

I had a Tecumseh engine on my snowblower, It only ran  reliable  for 23 years.Then I could no longer get parts for it.

Recalls started because American government invented a different standard for Toyota than the standard it applied on GM,Chrysler and Ford. Secretary of Transportation went on record saying not to drive Toyotas.Can you believe that?

Also outsourcing parts production to America and China played a big role in reduction of quality in Toyotas.Most recalled areas have to do with American-made parts.They do it to lower the cost of parts and it lowers the quality also.Proof? Markedly less recalls in Japan since mostly Japan-made parts are used there.

He had to eat it later when it turned out that it was some stupid drivers who could not tell accelerator from brake.

carlb


Joined: Nov 16, 2010
Points: 279

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #26   Nov 13, 2011 2:20 pm
I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and diss American or Japanese made products, but,  I can tell you that since 1990 I have owned 3 Nissan Maxima's and 2 Infiniti G35 coups, all of these were purchased new.  These cars have been rock solid and other than one of the maximas needing a window regulator replaced when it was about 9 years old all of these Nissan/Infiniti products have performed flawlessly never having to go to the dealer for service except for an O2 sensor on one of the Maximas.  I have performed all standard normal service on these cars.  The 1990 Nissan Maxima had over 265,000 miles on it as it was passed down to my son then to my nephew before it was rear ended and sent to the junk yard.
Garth


Joined: Oct 30, 2011
Points: 10

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #27   Nov 13, 2011 3:22 pm
You people can say what you want about Chinese products, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will say that the American workforce is a disgrace. Sure there are some good workers but there are many that are lazy that don't care how well they do their job. They try to get out of doing many things. Take extra breaks, long breaks, avoid certain tasks and the list is too long to put everything in this post. The saddest part of all is the companies enable them. Always an excuse. Different people have different learning curves. Not everybody works the same. People take smoke breaks outside of normal breaks all day long and are allowed to. The bosses go to human resources and they always have an excuse why nothing can be done about it. One guy was caught sleeping in his car during work hours and the boss was told that is not enough to fire him. I am just scratching the surface here. I have talked to people in other states and other companies and they have similar problems. I have seen this for years in different departments. Different people have admitted they are lazy and they screw off as much as possible. Other people over here do almost nothing and to listen to them they are working their butts off. They whine about every little thing and end up with repetitive motion. Go to some of these other countries and see how attitudes and people are different. I have met people that worked for GM years ago at a local plant that closed many years ago and they used to laugh about how little they did and how much they got paid. I will repeat this. A large part of the American work force is a total disgrace and are allowed to be that way. I don't see it changing because nothing is done to make them change and it is not going to be. I am an American by the way. With a workforce like this and it will probably continue to get worse, how does this country expect to remain the greatest country in the world? I will answer that. By words not by deeds. Most of what you buy today is made in other countries. I think this made in USA is overrated.
This message was modified Nov 13, 2011 by Garth
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #28   Nov 13, 2011 5:49 pm
Garth wrote:
You people can say what you want about Chinese products, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will say that the American workforce is a disgrace. Sure there are some good workers but there are many that are lazy that don't care how well they do their job. They try to get out of doing many things. Take extra breaks, long breaks, avoid certain tasks and the list is too long to put everything in this post. The saddest part of all is the companies enable them. Always an excuse. Different people have different learning curves. Not everybody works the same. People take smoke breaks outside of normal breaks all day long and are allowed to. The bosses go to human resources and they always have an excuse why nothing can be done about it. One guy was caught sleeping in his car during work hours and the boss was told that is not enough to fire him. I am just scratching the surface here. I have talked to people in other states and other companies and they have similar problems. I have seen this for years in different departments. Different people have admitted they are lazy and they screw off as much as possible. Other people over here do almost nothing and to listen to them they are working their butts off. They whine about every little thing and end up with repetitive motion. Go to some of these other countries and see how attitudes and people are different. I have met people that worked for GM years ago at a local plant that closed many years ago and they used to laugh about how little they did and how much they got paid. I will repeat this. A large part of the American work force is a total disgrace and are allowed to be that way. I don't see it changing because nothing is done to make them change and it is not going to be. I am an American by the way. With a workforce like this and it will probably continue to get worse, how does this country expect to remain the greatest country in the world? I will answer that. By words not by deeds. Most of what you buy today is made in other countries. I think this made in USA is overrated.


Same laziness can also be observed in China, but not Japan.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #29   Nov 13, 2011 7:58 pm
Import brands built in North America (all of them) are not in the same class as the same brands built in their home countries.   Our industries have a bad habit of dragging quality products down to their manufacturing level.  Rather than domestic manufacturers stepping up to meet the challenge of superior products, our governments encourage/force foreign manufacturers to build plants here and hire our people to do the work.  The foreign companies see that we run loose ships and figure that they can do the same while still making money because the products they're competing against are usually worse than them.  They see that they don't need to keep up to their "home plant" standards and we end up getting inferior products.  

I have bought nothing but Toyotas for the last 30+ years.  I drive a 1996 Toyota T100 that I bought new in '96.  It has cost me nothing in repairs.  Not one dime.  All I've done to it in fifteen years is oil changes, tires, batteries, windshield wiper blades and air filters.   It's still got it's original timing belt.  Thinking of changing it but, the engine has non-interference valve train so if it breaks, the vehicle stops but no engine damage.  So, I'm flirting with the idea just letting it run to see how long it will last.  The other belts still look to be in great shape and they don't have the protection that the timing belt does. 

Bottom line is that even the best overseas brands are now being compromised due to domestic manufacturing.  If I buy another Toyota, I will pay a premium to ensure I get one that's built in Japan.  Even if I have to buy it in a foreign country, have it shipped and certified here.  I will never buy another domestically manufactured vehicle.  
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Knee_Biter


Wicked Pissa

Location: just outside of BOSTON
Joined: Dec 14, 2008
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Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #30   Nov 13, 2011 9:12 pm
The factory wheels on my Toyota have CHINA cast on the inside of the wheel. So even Toyota is using Chinese parts

bus708


Location: Maryland
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
Points: 322

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #31   Nov 13, 2011 9:34 pm
Knee_Biter wrote:
The factory wheels on my Toyota have CHINA cast on the inside of the wheel. So even Toyota is using Chinese parts

After  WW1 Japan head such a bad name nobody wanted there stuff. They named one of  ther main factory cities usa  so they can sell more to the USA. Now Japan makes high quality . Perhaps we are giving China a bad rap now.  Who knows the future .Only time will tell. I know USA has some junk for sale too. What about Russia? God knows they have snow storms, Maybe Mersadies is building snow blowers
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: LCT & BRIGGS?
Reply #32   Nov 14, 2011 2:19 pm
borat wrote:
Import brands built in North America (all of them) are not in the same class as the same brands built in their home countries.   Our industries have a bad habit of dragging quality products down to their manufacturing level.  Rather than domestic manufacturers stepping up to meet the challenge of superior products, our governments encourage/force foreign manufacturers to build plants here and hire our people to do the work.  The foreign companies see that we run loose ships and figure that they can do the same while still making money because the products they're competing against are usually worse than them.  They see that they don't need to keep up to their "home plant" standards and we end up getting inferior products.  

I have bought nothing but Toyotas for the last 30+ years.  I drive a 1996 Toyota T100 that I bought new in '96.  It has cost me nothing in repairs.  Not one dime.  All I've done to it in fifteen years is oil changes, tires, batteries, windshield wiper blades and air filters.   It's still got it's original timing belt.  Thinking of changing it but, the engine has non-interference valve train so if it breaks, the vehicle stops but no engine damage.  So, I'm flirting with the idea just letting it run to see how long it will last.  The other belts still look to be in great shape and they don't have the protection that the timing belt does. 

Bottom line is that even the best overseas brands are now being compromised due to domestic manufacturing.  If I buy another Toyota, I will pay a premium to ensure I get one that's built in Japan.  Even if I have to buy it in a foreign country, have it shipped and certified here.  I will never buy another domestically manufactured vehicle.  


As far as I know Yaris is imported directly from Japan.But I am sure Toyota uses parts sourced outside of Japan in building Yaris.What percentage I do not know.

T100 is like Hilux?You must have seen Top Gear torture scenes involving Hilux.

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