Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Going back and forth as to which one! Same price, Local dealers that service, like the look of both. Kinda leaning toward the Ariens only cause of the bigger engine 342 vs 305,is that a good reason?,or is 28" Toro a little more nibble to move around. Ariens seem to have more metal and less plastic, see I go back and forth.Please help ! Need to buy soon! Thanks for your suggestions.

Not going to snow much at -40.  Interesting tidbit, -40C is the same as -40F. 

mvedepo wrote:
Exactly! 

aa335 wrote:
I do agree with you on most of what you are saying but I just want to point a couple things out.

I am spending $1600+ on a snowblower so why should I settle for a bunch of plastic when the Ariens has all metal like the more expensive models. If the use of plastic isn't a indicator of poor quality on main components then why do all the high end models not use a full plastic chute or have their controls made out of plastic?

You may be right about the Quick Stick on the Toro not being able to work because of the weight of the metal chute. Well then why not make the controls out of metal to work with a metal chute? It is to save on cost right? Well then how come they don't beef up the motor to the same size of the Areins with all the money they saved using the plastic parts. I don't see any of the savings passed on to the consumer.

I have been pretty lucky with the plastic chute on my Crapsman but you know there were quite a few times I was expecting to have a hole. So have I been lucky...maybe...or does the plastic work like it should?? I just have a hard time buying another machine with the plastic chute. We get into the 40 below with windchill where I am at and again maybe I have been lucky.

As far as snow sticking to the metal, I have never had an issue with this on any device I have used in the past so I don't see that as being a problem.

As I also mentioned earlier if the plastic chute aids in less resistance, why does the Toro throw the snow less distance than the Ariens with a metal chute?

I do agree with the comment about the light front, like I also said earlier, you can buy a weight for $80 more to rectify this. For what? To make it like the Ariens where you don't have to pay extra.

I have nothing against Toro, I have owned 2 mowers, one of the smaller power curve units and an older larger Toro with the power shift system. I just feel like they are cheaping out vs the competition. Would I be happy with either unit, probably but I think bang for buck the Areins wins. I may go look at them again today.

klennop: All your posts seem to favor the Ariens unit so why not go for it. I can understand your apprehension about the plastic vs. steel even though I firmly believe that this is not an issue (although I prefer steel over plastic as well). Steel is not that expensive and high end plastics are not cheap so the overall cost savings to the manufacturer may not be as much as one might think. In the end, it all comes down to what you feel most comfortable with and perceive to be the best bang for your hard earned buck. You're going to be the guy behind the dash during horrendous weather conditions so you'll want to be as comfortable and pleased with your purchase as possible.

See my replies in blue text below:

klennop wrote:

FrankMA,

You are right about my posts favoring the Ariens because based on specs, it seems like the winning machine. Also like I said earlier, I went in to buy an Areins but started thinking about the Toro. I figured why not post exactly what has been running through my head, maybe it would help someone else in my position, or maybe it wouldn't.

Now if the cost of the plastics vs steel is close to the same, why is the price point of the Toro higher with a smaller engine, and you need to add things to make it comparable to the Areins. It just doesn't seem like a deal to the consumer. When breaking it down like I did earlier, the Ariens just seems to edge the Toro out. Not one person has said why the Toro is so much better on this forum. Everyone seems to say well you will be happy with either. So I am trying to find someone to show me why the Toro is better than the Ariens, that's all. I am not trying to start an argument or shove the Ariens down someones throat but just pointing out what I see.

aa335

I understand the whole consumer expecting more metal for their money depending on what they are buying. However speaking of performance you don't see anything high performance made out of all steel unless it is made for durability like a tractor, rototiller, snowblower, etc. You mentioned Toro not pitching all Steel like the Areins but you don't see them pitching anything about the innovative plastics either. I think it is more for saving money on their end and yes it takes money to be innovative but it isn't like the competition is standing still either. True they don't have to pass on all the savings to the consumer but at the same time, then they should make the machines even more comparable. If that Toro had the larger engine, maybe I wouldn't be so apt to be swayed towards the Ariens?

Also true there is no standard in throwing distance, what would be nice is a standard in how much volume a blower can move or something to that nature.

Yes all manufactures offer add ons, like everything else that is manufactured. My point was just that why add another $80 to a machine that is already a little more expensive than the competition to make it on par with the competition.

And for the record I am a Mac guy, we have 2 Macs however we also have 2 PC's. I would take a Mac over the PC but I am not even going to go there.


Everyone does have their own opinions on this, which is why I keep sharing what I am thinking, etc. I didn't have time to look at the machines again. Hopefully tomorrow, I will let you know what I decide but I think everyone knows which way I am leaning.

I guess I don't see Toro pitching their plastics because its a loosing battle against steel.  Why draw attention to plastic when it's perceived as inferior?  They sure don't have any problems selling their plastic products without a whole lot of hoopla.  Their media material and website is very straight forward, customer use focused, not specifications focused.  Some people are frustrated about this approach, some just don't care as much.  The fact that you are closely considering Toro versus Ariens means that Toro is doing something right.  Toro is priced higher than Ariens for the same features, plastic and all, but people are still cross shopping.

Last year, Ariens picked on Toro 210 single stage snowblower with their Sno-Tek 2 stage 24" snowblower, on the premise that they are both priced about the same.  It was quite a cheesy attempt on Youtube.  Its like pitting $25,000 Mini Cooper against a $25,000 a pickup truck in a contest of hauling 6 people across town.  This year, Ariens firing another salvo with the Pro 28 with crazy 400cc engine and some heavy metal hardware, for $2000, to steer Toro customers away, or some kind of statement as the most powerful end of drive pile buster.  Will it work?  Maybe...or will it have the sophistication of a pony car?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how a 15 hp snowblower with a 28" wide opening isn't going to buck around like a wild mustang when chewing crusty heavy snow.

Manufacturers charge whatever they can on accessories, whether it's a for a car or snowblower.  It's high profit and it would be foolish for them not to tap this revenue.  Being on par is poor marketing, "me too" and commodity driven.  To win market share, it has to be compellingly different.   Otherwise, all you have to choose between is Orange or Red,  Buick or Pontiac.

I have a Mac at home, I use PC at work.  I like the simplicity of Mac when I'm home, the flexibility of PC when at work.  They both coexist fine.  I'd take a Mac if given just one to pick.  I'm at an age that I don't care to tweak and adjust, I just want to work right out of the box, everyday!

klennop wrote:

Well as I said you hear a lot of people worrying about the platic breaking but under normal use it generally doesn't break. sure if you back your car into the chute or something it'll break. Also Toro and Craftsman are very different companies.

Bottom line your Craftsman didn't break and more than a few Toro owners on here haven't had theirs break either, so in your mind you think plastic = weak and metal = strong. The reality is that it depends on conditions and type of metal or plastic. Metal is not ideal for very cold enviroments. Plastic is more stable.

But if you like the Ariens, go for it, it's a decent machine but a lot harder to steer for my wife and I.

Just get the Ariens Pro 28 and call it a day. Thats what I did afte r considering the models you are here. 28 inches and a 420 cc for motivation. :)

klennop wrote:
I'm thinking that those machines likely came from Home Depot, where God-only-knows who put them together.  What loose parts, and what upside down or backward parts?  It's very unreasonable to think Ariens is going to have this kind of assembly sloppiness in their factory.

This topic of Ariens vs. Toro regarding steel vs. plastic is very interesting to me, because, I am also going through this almost-ready-to-buy scenario.  I lean toward Ariens, largely based on my experiences at work with their early-90s machines and known reputation.  I also know that Toro has been making snow blowers since 1951 (Ariens since 1960), and I've been truly intrigued with the 1028OXE and impressed by Steve Cebu's You Tube videos. 

I have a natural hesitancy about the plastic control deck parts, plastic Quick Stick parts, and plastic handlebar parts.  Funny thing is that the plastic chute itself and plastic cover over the impeller housing doesn't concern me.  I don't know what to think.  I think the Toro blower is pretty cool looking and operationally slick.  Then there's Ariens, heh heh.  What's a guy to do?  Really, I don't think we can go wrong either way.  Toro isn't stupid so as to put cheap plastic on a machine selling MSRP for $1800.  I'm sure they made sure the control deck, Quick stick, and handlebars are strong.  I think most of us naturally gravitate toward the steel construction, and for good reason.  We just need to believe that these modern plastics can be tough for the job.  One thing about Toro is that for that kind of money, they could at least toss in handwarmers, you know?  This isn't just an Ariens feature!  They're everywhere now.

I find myself intrigued with that Pro 28 with the big 420cc engine, not for bragging rights or for a mythical increase in impeller speed, but simply to be able to properly chew through heavy stuff without slowing down the engine like smaller ones can do.  I can't afford it, though.  I'm really looking at the Platinum 24 at this point.  But the Toro is still pretty cool in its own way, but I can't afford that one, either!  Maybe if I come across a good used Toro 1028OXE, well, now, that could change everything.  I can't wait to see what I end up with.  Maybe Craigslist will turn up something entirely different.