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MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
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Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Original Message   Feb 1, 2011 7:20 pm
Given Situation: Engine has been fully warmed up and the throttle is set to fast.   

Scenario: My Honda snowblower surges when it comes out of the load.  If I blow the snow with the throttle at either low or medium speed then the engine does not surge when the load is light but when the throttle is set to fast, the engine will surge when the load is low or minimum.  As soon as it gets a full load, no surging.   I took the blower to the dealer today (since no snow for few days and the wait is not too long) as I felt this was not right.  I had this problem since it was brand new in Dec 2010.  I will let you know what the fix is or if this is normal.  Any similar experiences from Honda snowblower owners?

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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #9   Feb 2, 2011 8:34 am
MN_Runner wrote:
I thought you be busy waltzing with your 441Q and saving your HS1132 for a really big snow storm (like a storm of the century).  Trust you are having fun with 2' of  snow.

Nope.  Big boy HS1132 is coming out to play today, it is taking care of two foot drifts and EOD, plus the neighbor's too, and 250' of sidewalk to the park.  The 421QE is taking care of the my walkways.  And the HS621 is taking care of the my sidewalks.  Woo Hoo!  :)
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FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
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Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #10   Feb 2, 2011 9:02 am
aa335 wrote:
Nope.  Big boy HS1132 is coming out to play today, it is taking care of two foot drifts and EOD, plus the neighbor's too, and 250' of sidewalk to the park.  The 421QE is taking care of the my walkways.  And the HS621 is taking care of the my sidewalks.  Woo Hoo!  :)

Bonus points - you get to use all your toys in one storm!!!!

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
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Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #11   Feb 2, 2011 10:13 am
The altitude kit is to perform the opposite.   As altitude increases, it causes the mixture to run too rich thus the requirement for smaller jets at altitude to lean it out.  An altitude kit would make the jetting worse in an already lean mixture.   Here's an interesting link:


http://www.iwt.com.au/mikunicarb.htm
aa335


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Points: 2434

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #12   Feb 2, 2011 10:33 am
FrankMA wrote:
Bonus points - you get to use all your toys in one storm!!!!

Unfortunately, the wind is still blowing so strong and the plow hasn't come around yet.  I'd have to wait until this afternoon.
mml4


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Deep snow is better!


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Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #13   Feb 2, 2011 5:00 pm
borat wrote:
The altitude kit is to perform the opposite.   As altitude increases, it causes the mixture to run too rich thus the requirement for smaller jets at altitude to lean it out.  An altitude kit would make the jetting worse in an already lean mixture.   Here's an interesting link:


http://www.iwt.com.au/mikunicarb.htm


My bad- I had a Honda powered pressure washer I bought off the net that back fired badlly when new. It appears I completely misunderstood the vendors explanation when I called to complain.

Marc

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Knee_Biter


Wicked Pissa

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Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #14   Feb 2, 2011 6:06 pm
Today I used both the work 1132 and my personal 928 and the 1132 does it consistently.  My 928 is smooth as can be with no surge once warm.

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #15   Feb 2, 2011 6:45 pm
I will let you guys know what the fix is once I get a call from my Honda dealer.  I hope they will replace the carburator, which I suspect is the culprit.
friiy


Location: Las Vegas, The Desert
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
Points: 600

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #16   Feb 3, 2011 1:29 am
Your low speed jet is plugged....

   The engine is not getting enough fuel at that (governed ) throttle  setting through the low speed jet...   The engine starts to drop in rpm, the engine  responds by opening the throttle to maintain rpm,   the high speed or main jet comes on-line and overspeeds past the desired maintained speed  since the unit is under no load,  The engine trys to drop the rpm by closing the throttle some....  Then the cycle starts all over again...

Find your low speed jet and clean it,  it's only partly plugged..

Good Luck,

Friiy

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads
Reply #17   Feb 3, 2011 7:21 pm
dear friiy,

I am not going to touch the snowblower since I have 2 years and 10 months left on the warranty.  The dealer was cleaning the carb and adjusting the governor.  Obviously it is not fixed so I have a feeling they are going to replace the carb and governor.  Surges between the load are a sign of carb/governor issue.  I am a little irritated with the problem since I had this from the begining - I wish I knew better.

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Honda HS928 Engine Surging Between Loads (Resolved)
Reply #18   Feb 4, 2011 6:54 pm
The issue was a defective carburator so the dealer replaced it with a new one.  The problem gone.
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