Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

UPDATE FROM BEN07 FEB. 3RD

PLS NOTE: THIS PROBLEM WAS ANSWERED BY ARIENS.

POST # 19 explains the upgrade.  

 IT IS A RESOLVED  ISSUE 

I purchased an 8524LE for a price I had to jump at due to an end of season left over last year.   Shortly after, I started hearing horror stories on the gear drives for this particular unit.  I am sure a lot of you are familiar to it.  Ariens advertised  three categories of two stage SB.  Compact, Deluxe, Professional.  What they don't tell you is that this model has the drive unit of the compacts. The one prefixed with "932" rather than "924."   The other two Deluxe models and the Pro models all have the "924."  I feel this is misleading advertising on their part.  I contacted Ariens with my serial number, and all they said was my unit has the reduction unit in it.  I noticed someone in here telling a new owner of this years 8526 model on getting the R3 upgrade.  So maybe that is what I have or maybe not. 

What is this reduction thing.  I can't expect that they altered my gear drive to the same configuration as the heavy-duty one.  Mainly,  because the case appears to be much weaker and a little smaller.

So this year I got to use the machine.  It is quite capable of blowing some serious snow.  The problem is I have to use real high gear selections to do it.  This things ground speed is that of a turtle.  Everything is adjusted correctly, no slippage, proper RPM,  Trust me.  If you want I can get you electronic rpm measurement the next time I get it out of the shed.  I was giving my 15 yr old some lesions/practice etc. and cautioned him on making sure that he was in say forward gear when he starts out with his back against the wall, as the machine is quite capable of pinning him.  He engaged it in reverse and I challenged him to stop the machine from pushing him back on dry pavement.  He got the message that it would pin his belly-button to his spine then plow him right through a old heavy plywood faced garage door. 

He and I just did a neighbors 250 foot double wide with three snowfalls on it.  A 3 week old 4 inch, a two week old 3 inch and a fresh 8 inch.  Naturally the older snow was tough and packed so we were doing probably a good 10 inches plus of some tough underlying snow and some top powder.  Didn't matter, all of it went 30 plus feet in the air for a distance of no less than 40 feet.  The problem is we were doing it in 4th gear.  I don't think that is normal for an 8.5 hp.  When we transported it up there we had to use 6th gear with full throttle or it would have taken forever. First gear and 1st reverse are so slow they are useless.  So naturally I am thinking that what the modification may have been was at least in part to gear it down to take the stress off the inferior drive componets and weaker smaller transmission housing.  Which makes no sense as this machine is big and heavy, and has a large snow box that needs fed to operate properly, so the operator has to compensate by speeding up.  It weighs 240 lbs, that coupled with you say doing an EOD of wet thick heavy slush, filling the whole snow box and spilling a lot of it out on top of the box, can add 100 to 150 pounds to it's weight.  I feel like I am running a 1959 Caddy with a 1962 Rambler slushbox tranny that is gonna blow at any time.

When I contacted Ariens on this they were tight lipped, kinda like you got the reduction unit, buy see you later. 

So I was hoping to get some more information in here before I write a review on this machine. 

I know their will be mentions of advising to call Ariens again etc.  But trust me, they really don't seem to want to talk about it.  What can help prove that out, is they read and post in this forum.  They will read this, and they are quite capable of giving an explanation in here. However that remains to be seen. 

 

Regards. And any info you know of will be appreciated

You forgot to post the most important figures. What is the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times ??

Knee, roflmao.

Leave all as it is, it's fine. Thanks for the update!

Actually I did do the 1/4 mile..  Got caught by the troopers.  The only reason they caught me is it was at night and they noticed I didn't have any tail lights so they radio-ed ahead for a road block.  The one trooper was gonna let me off as I told him I would put tail lights on by the next day.  But his partner said that i still wouldn't pass "State inspection" as my front end wasn.t a min. of 5 inches off the ground.    Got the 1/4 mile time as 7.6  minutes flat.  Keep in mind that was in street tires and the header capped. (not bad considering I haven't been able to get dyno time yet to ensure my personal super tune is 100%. 

 I am gonna have to wait a few weeks till they cool down before I try the zero to 60mph  test. 

Ben07

Ben07 wrote:

Whew...this is a serious dude!

Ben07,

I think more than you think will be interested. If they think there may be a problem with their machine they have an excellent benchmark to refer to.

It looks like a wonderful reference to me. One that you can't find just anywhere. And there are about a billion of those machines out there now.

After the carb thread and now split times. I can't imagine the next modification.

The original sales brochure for my Snapper 926 showed these speeds:

     First :  .81 Second : 1.14  Third: 1.44 Fourth: 1.74 Fifth: 2.00 Sixth2.25 Rev. .96 .  So the speed of your machine is not that far off of what could be considered "normal". These speeds are slower than pro ariens models but could be considered average for consumer models.

Ben07,

The RPM spec for your engine is 3600 RPM +/- 150. You'll see some ground speed and throwing performance increases if you increase your RPM to the nominal or top end of the RPM range. 3450 is a bit low.

PK

robmints wrote:

Exactly the point, Just a benchmark.  For things like a problem reference, a future purchase consideration,  not only just for the actual speeds.  But because a lot of times it relates to how the whole overall machine operates. 

Ben07 

Snowmann wrote:

Snowmann thx again.  My speeds are ok, I think.  I am probably within the range for it's category.  Not just as an Ariens, I mean across the board etc.  Please note and I know you understood,  This machine throws some serious snow,  no need to enhance that to say the least.    (3450 rpm is not  workin bad, no pause or break when gov has to assist under loads, not starting point overall weaker gov assist due to being at a lower leverage point on the govenor arm/linkage.)  Fine machine.  Two ways to look at it as always.  ! if it ain't broke don fix it.  or If it ain't perfect make it better.   In this case it seems perfect so I will leave it alone for awhile.  

Ben07

Bandit wrote:

Thx Bandit good info and I agree with your analgy as being my speeds are not that far off.    I will check out your machine on the web to see where it falls.  you know big 2 stage medium etc.  I checked out Snappers last year, only on the net though,  they seemed like really good machines.  It also seemed they had their model line set up good .  as in easy to pick and choose better.

Thx Ben