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allenm
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Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Original Message Jan 19, 2011 2:07 pm |
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Toro will have a recall this summer (2011) for Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589). The following problem affects models made in 2009, 2010, and 2011. Toro has learned that Ethanol (used in all gas), is deteriorating aluminum parts within the carburetor. These deteriorating parts break off inside the carburetor creating small fragments then clog areas inside the machine (ie. fuel line). Gas will leak out of the snow blower into (ie. your garage). The end result (gas leak) is similar to what happened on the Toro 180 power clear, but the problem is NOT the same. Toro is aware of the problem and said they are working on a fix to be released this summer (2011) on the Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589) snow blowers. If anyone is having a gas leak now, the current fix is only temporary.
This message was modified Jan 19, 2011 by allenm
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allenm
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #16 Jan 19, 2011 6:52 pm |
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@allenm
Where is your source of the recall? Companies typically don't give customer inside info on when an recall will occur, even though they have plans. They let everyone know of a recall at the same time through an official bulletin.
Not busting your $#%* or anything like that. If the impending recall is not Toro's stance, existing owners of the 421Q maybe led to expect one and will be disappointed or outraged when Toro doesn't do a recall.
It doesn't bode well for me that this is my 7th post. I completely understand how you, or anyone would question any of this info. This was from multiple sources (6). There really is no "one" source I can point this to. The only thing I can say......I'm really good at digging to get info. From what I understand, Toro been made aware of the problem for the last 2 months. The info collected is Toro is looking into changing the composite chemistry within the motor.
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allenm
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #17 Jan 19, 2011 7:03 pm |
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"Where is your source of the recall?"
Stabil manufacturer maybe????
lol :) I went back and read my post, and it does sound like I might work for Stabil.
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aa335
 
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #18 Jan 19, 2011 7:14 pm |
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>Were those Chinese carbs? I sniff an issue here. This has nothing to do with ethanol it's a 5th column inside job with you know Hu. Give it about 5 years. Those Chinese carbs will be the most reliable in the industry. Japan - Korea - China. See a pattern? Do you know Hu's funding North American lifestyles? Let's hope we play nice so don't start asking for their money back. Then we'll be asking Hao we're coming up with the money.
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fleetfoot
Joined: Jan 23, 2011
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #19 Jan 24, 2011 5:05 pm |
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15% ethanol means roughly 15% less mileage.
Just to correct this misconception. Ethanol contains about two thirds the energy of gasoline. So gasoline with 10% ethanol has about 97% the energy of straight gasoline and gasoline with 15% ethanol has about 95% the energy of straight gasoline. You can therefore expect about a 3% drop in fuel mileage with gasoline with 10% ethanol and about a 5% drop in fuel mileage with 15% ethanol.
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fleetfoot
Joined: Jan 23, 2011
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #22 Jan 25, 2011 12:23 am |
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I average 5mpg less with 10% ethanol and that's a fact. I keep meticulous records of my mileage for all my cars. I am not disputing your records. Assuming that you average 30 mpg, only 1 mpg of your loss can be attributed to the 10% ethanol unless you average 166 mpg. Something other than ethanol is contributing to the other 4 mpg loss you are seeing.
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Steve_Cebu
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #23 Jan 25, 2011 1:35 am |
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I am not disputing your records. Assuming that you average 30 mpg, only 1 mpg of your loss can be attributed to the 10% ethanol unless you average 166 mpg. Something other than ethanol is contributing to the other 4 mpg loss you are seeing. Well from where I sit it's the ethanol. I pay for 100% gas and that's what I want in my car.
This message was modified Jan 25, 2011 by Steve_Cebu
"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England." "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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fleetfoot
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Re: Recall: Toro 421Q & 421QE (38588/38589)
Reply #25 Jan 25, 2011 10:52 am |
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most of this ethanol is getting old by the time it gets into most end-user gas tanks and has probably absorbed plenty of water by then - wonder what kind of energy/mpg we're talking about with water-saturated ethanol? Anyway, energy potential is small potatoes compared to all the other big problems attributable to ethanol, like environmental degradation and significant loss of wildlife habitat (especially for upland-nesting gamebirds and ducks). Where are the facts to support either of your statements? I never said that ethanol was good or bad. I just questioned Steve's statement about 15% ethanol gasoline resulting in a 15% reduction in fuel economy.
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