Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

I'm trying to decide between getting the Toro 826 2 stage snowblower with the 249 cc Briggs engine and freewheel steering or the Ariens 22" compact model with the 169 cc Robin subaru engine.  I need to clean about
2000 square feet of interlock along with my neighbor's yard when he's away in Florida on his winter vacation.   Any reviews, suggestions?  Thanks.

I would also second that recommendation by FrankMA.  Go with the 221Q or 421Q, skip the Powerclear 180 which I think is anemic compared to the Powerlite 325 which it replaces.  If you must get a small single stage as a companion to a 2 stage, get a used Powerlite.  They are very abundant used.

Hi Joe, as the guys above mentioned, having the ariens compact and the 221 may be a bit redundant. I'd pick one of the other and go from there. If you chose the 221 and felt it wasn't good enough for your needs, they seem to hold their resale pretty well. I'm not sure about the Ariens compact but I would assume that being a good, high quality unit as Ariens are, it should as well. You could also keep the 221 (which I find myself using my 221 for 98% of snowfalls around here anyways) and get a larger 2 stage when space or $$ is less of an issue. As Frankin MA mentioned, it might not be a bad idea to try one or the other and see how it performs over the winter for yo. Good luck :-) By the way, I took your advice on upgrading to the Echo PB770. It was great advice and I love the new blower - makes short work of the leaves :-)

Hi Joe, I know your question was a few posts back but as far as the tranny and speed on the compact 22...the tranny on the machine appears to be the same as the other Ariens Disk-O-Matic machines as far as I know. Speed wise you would normally be using speeds 1-3 for normal use as far as i can see just mving the machine around. There are 6 forward speeds and the fastest of those will leave you at a brisk pace which I can't see being used other than to move the machine around. I would not worry about speed with this machine.

As far as the single stage discussion, I agree that typical snow falls of around 6" may be better served by a good single stage. You don't list where you live but along the coast in MA where we might not get the big snow storms that they do to the north but we usually end up with some pretty heavy snow which I see better served by a smaller 2 stage. I live on a cut through road the and the plows make pretty frequent passes so the EOD can pile up pretty quick. A street in either directions get about 20% of the passes that I get here by the town plows so the EOD there may not be as bad but it's to the point that a single stage would be pretty useless to me at the EOD. I have used one in the past and it typically involved a lot of cutting up the pile with a shovel and then taking small bites with the single stage. I don't think you can go wrong with most Toro single stages as a neighbor next door has used one for 20+ years and it has served him well. Keep in mind he is retired and is typically out multiple times each time the plow goes by to keep ahead of the EOD mess. Working all day I come home to a pretty big pile at the EOD hence my desire for a 2 stage.

Thanks to everyone for the amazing advice. I appreciate it. If I were to go single stage, which is better the 221 or 421? I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. As mentioned. Typical snowfalls for us are 4-6" but the end of the driveway stuff can get nasty, especially when I come home from work. That's why I was thinking 2 stage. My neighbor has a toro 2 stroke single stage. It works good on his driveway but not so good on his EOD pile. I'm actually leaning towards biting the bullet and getting the Toro 826. Lot of money for me but maybe I should just spend it once. Dealer says he can put some rubber underneath the skid shoes to protect the interlock. Just not sure about that Briggs engine? Superbuick, glad you are enjoying the Echo PB770. It was great for me during leaf season too. The newest one that surpasses the Echo PB770 is the Shindaiwa EB854. What a blower this thing is.

What's your concern with the Briggs engine?  I've got a 305cc Intek Snow engine with Kool Bore on my Simplicity.  It's got about 75 hours on it and it's been a very good engine so far.  I have noticed that it uses a bit of oil.  However, not enough to be concerned about.  It starts on the first pull, is fairly easy on fuel and is very strong.   I never used to be a big Briggs and Stratton fan but from my experience with this engine, I've since learned to appreciate them.

joed wrote:
Hi Joe, have you looked into the Ariens Compact 26? same 26" as the Toro and the same motor that you are looking at on the Toro with the 250cc. Not sure on price difference, i know that the compact 26 is about $200 more than the compact 22 here in the states. While it doesn't have the quick stick like the Toro it does have the remote deflector. Not sure if you are looking at one brand over the other, but I know the compact 26 only has the pin lock like the other compact ariens not the freewheel steering like the toro.

borat wrote: On another thread, a poster recently bought an Ariens Platinum Deluxe 24" machine that came equipped with the 249 cc engine.  He's been experiencing backfire on shutdown and then the engine won't start until it cools down for a while.  I was wondering if the Briggs engine on the toro units did the same thing?

Shiva916
I haven't seen any compact 26" units here in Canada where I live.  We don't have as big of a selection here as they do in the U.S.  If I were going to go with the 26" width, I'd rather go with the Toro 826

joed wrote:

You often hear a lot from Ariens owners as there are a lot of them. I'm a Toro owner and I'd take the Toro 826 over the Ariens. The joystick chute control is great. It's easy to steer and it has plenty of power. My Toro has been super esasy to use and trouble free. Buy once Cry once. Ariens has gone down in quality over the years. Toro sells out faster around here than Ariens. Test them both if you can. I'm confidant the Toro will be teh better of the two.

I wouldn't be worried about the Subaru engine not being powerful enough. Before last season I bought the compact 24" with the Subaru engine and it has far more power than my previous blower's much larger Briggs engine. We had a very snowy winter and I had no problems at all. In the three days around Christmas we had about 24" of heavy wet snow. Through it all I never had any problems getting the job done with that 169 cc Subaru. EOD was not a problem either. A few days after the storm my neighbor had come back from visiting family out of state and was trying to tackle the 24", which had drifted in spots, with a shovel. I broke out my new blower and went right through the deep and drifted snow. It was half way up my chest and well above the top of the blower in lots of spots, so I had to let it dig in, then back out, let the snow fall down, and go back into it again, but it never bogged down or felt like it needed more power. By that time the sun had been out and caused some melting, so there was a nice layer of slush that had to be thrown too. It was one of the worse snows I'd ever seen and I had my doubts if the blower would make it through, but it passed that test with flying colors.

Hi Joe - I agree with Steve in having a preference for the Toro 826 over the Ariens compact, but that is more of a personal preference for me rather than a specific design or quality issue with Ariens.  I really like the quick stick on the Toros as well.

As far as the singles go, I've found the two stroke to be more powerful than the 4 stroke offered by Toro.  A Honda 621 (NOT a 520) is a good, powerful single stage if you have a strong preference for 4 stroke, but they are rare in the US.

One other thing to consider is with regards to space - you mentioned a tight area.  The Toro 826 is a large unit - I have one myself (a 726te).  I assume you've seen it in person, but its worth mentioning again.  If tight space is an issue, you may be better off with the Ariens compact or the single stage.

I'll have to check out that new Shindaiwa the next time I stop by the dealer - though I'm so happy with this PB770 I don't think I'll be wanting of another blower anytime soon :)