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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Honda bucket repair
Original Message   Nov 14, 2010 7:04 pm
   New to the stable is a wounded HS828.  The base, drive, gearbox, augers and controls are fine.  The bucket is in horrible shape.   I think the open part is not just from rust but from stones rubbing.  The edges are pointing out like stones and snow were forced out bending the edges away from the housing.  It seems the thing was used way after the tear started.  The bottom edge of the bucket is in bad shape also i.e. chewed off.  The guy must have used it in the weight forward position on a gravel drive or uneven cement stones. ??  Surprising is the bottom of the sides are in good shape. 

A new bucket lists at $860 so that's out.  I paid half of what the GX240 is worth.  How can the bucket be fixed?   Rivet a circular plate in there?  Cut out 1/2 inch back from the open parts say a long 2-3 inche wide section the length of the worn through part and have a piece welded in?  I can probably come up with an old bucket I could cut to make a filler strip.  What's the way to go about this?  I don't have a welder and don't know anything about welding or riveting.  The metal on either side of the tear is strong and could be welded.   Is there any new miracle product like improved fiberglass that would hold and wear?

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borat


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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #12   Dec 4, 2010 2:26 pm
By tubing, I'm talking steel pipe of sufficient diameter to fit inside the impeller housing.   There's a huge variety of tubing/pipe size and something might just fit.  If it does, all you need is a short piece to fit inside the impeller housing and have it welded into place.  It would be super strong, relatively inexpensive to buy and weld in.

You want to know what the model of my Simplicity is or are you asking someone else about their Honda?    
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #13   Dec 4, 2010 3:47 pm
borat wrote:
By tubing, I'm talking steel pipe of sufficient diameter to fit inside the impeller housing.  

You want to know what the model of my Simplicity is or are you asking someone else about their Honda?    

Ok, a section of big pipe.  That's a possibility.    I could chop one of the buckets around here for a sleeve insert section.   I'll have to measure the clearance of the impeller to housing.  

I've wondered just what your Simplicity was.  I think it was pre-Briggs and made at one old Simplicity plants. 

Here's the current projects:

The HS55 got some paint and the HS70 rust stablizer and bucket inside paint only.  It's getting cold so paint for the HS70 will probabl have to wait until spring.   I expect good things from these two as in perform like a Yamaha.  They are pretty nice and have stood up very well over the years. They are both friction disk drive and the components in the tractor are quality.  There were some spare wide tires around with a close size axle hole so fitted them on the 70.  I'm not positive but think the size and speeds of the augers and impeller will be the same as new models so these should toss very well.

People say the Hondas are expensive.  They're for poor people who are broke and can't afford a Yamaha.  A poor man's Yamaha.  I can't afford either so bottom feed for old buzzards like these two.  For about $70 each these two will be back in shape and no wear part expected to crap out for several years.

borat


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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #14   Dec 4, 2010 4:06 pm
"I'll have to measure the clearance of the impeller to housing. "

If the impeller is a bit too big for the insert, just grind a bit off of each impeller vane to make it fit.

My Simplicity was built in 2006 in the Wisconsin plant before it was shut down.  It's a 9528 with the 305cc Kool Bore engine/cast iron gear case.  It's built like a tank and very robust.  It moves snow like nothing I've owned before.

Nice collection of snow throwers you have there.  Are those pictures recent?  We've got probably 14" of snow here already. 
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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #15   Dec 4, 2010 6:14 pm
>>If the impeller is a bit too big for the insert, just grind a bit off of each impeller vane to make it fit.
I'd loose the racers edge for distance.  Every thousanth counts. 

I picked a long flat sheet of steel today and will try to fit it in there and see how much room it takes up. If it slims down the standard case to impeller distance and just make the gap smaller but not touch then I might try to figure out some way to get it in there permanantly.   If I could get it in there and make it work for a while then that would be kluge #1 and stay until I could figure out a better fix. 

The 9528 is a marketing number and covers a number of models/years.  There should be an 8 or 9 digit number at the back of the base with the factory number.  Maybe a 1 6 x x x x or 1 8 x x x x.  The factory number will ID a specific 9528 model.  

>>Are those pictures recent?

   Yes, today.  I was moving the 70 of the garage and the 55 in so took some picts.     I wish we had 14 inches here.  I'm really itching to see what those guys will do. 

 

borat


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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #16   Dec 4, 2010 7:12 pm
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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #17   Dec 4, 2010 8:52 pm
Borat: can you please squish the photo to 700 or 750 so it does not blow out the formatting?

The 1694985 is the factory ID for your machine.  If you wanted and exploded view you would need that number.

borat


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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #18   Dec 4, 2010 9:45 pm
The picture I posted was compressed by using photobucket for the purpose of attaching it to messages in forums such as this. 

Picture looks good on my computer. 
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #19   Dec 5, 2010 7:58 am
The issue is being able to read the forum posts $#%*fortably.  A large picture will blow out the forum posts such that the lines of text in posts go off the viewing screen of a standard monitor.   The scroll bar will then come up because of the large width of the all the posts caused by the big picture.   To read a line of text you have to use the scroll bar to read the front and last segments of lines of text.  It's a pain in the neck to have to go back and forth with the scroll bar to read many long posts.   A viewable cropped picture will carry the same info and not blow out the forum standard size of posts.

There is size refering to density or resolution generally refering to the pixel count.  There is size refering to boarder length and width.  Your picture was 1023 x 766, the length and width in pixels and 247KB the total size in bytes.  Those are the two different "sizes". 

You can reduce the density and still have a crisp picture.  That's because home monitors can't display great resolution.  Home software just discards most of the pixels and displays what it can.  The pictures still look very crisp at the reduced pixel count.

You can reduce the lengh and width and keep or reduce the density but the image seen will most often be very good.  If you reduce the length and width of a picture to about 700 or 750 it will show up very well on the forum standard format and not blow out the size to be off the screen and cause the scroll bars to show up. 

Below are your pictures at 700 and cropped.  The first is also reduced from 240KB to 35KB and the second 24KB.  Both pictures are reduced in length and width and also density.  There's no great loss in quality on a home monitor.

If you reformat your picture to 7-800 the readable foum format will return.

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Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
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Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #20   Dec 15, 2010 10:02 pm
Someone else just posted this elsewhere:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HONDA-HS928-SNOWBLOWER-REPLACEMENT-GEAR-BOX-AUGER-SHUTE-/130466233439?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6064bc5f#ht_500wt_1156
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Honda bucket repair
Reply #21   Dec 15, 2010 11:28 pm
Holy smokes the whole blower and chute off a 928 starting at $99.00 dollars.  That's well over $1000.00  worth of parts.

trouts2 - If you thinking about lining your impeller housing with a new piece of steel. 
I can tell you from my experience that you really need to take the steel to any sheet metal or machine shop and have them roll it for you.
It's a much better, and easier way  to get a correct and true fit having it rolled first.  The piece will also be a pretty close to being perfectly round.

Measure the dia. of the housing as close as you can. Multiply that figure X 3.14 and then add about an additional 10 inches. Cut the steel to that length.
Sometimes as the piece first goes into the machine and contacts the rollers it creates kind of a funky little bend in the steel. 
You'll have to cut that portion off if that happens that is why you add some extra length to the piece.

 Have them roll it to a dia just a little larger than your measurement.  That way when you go to put it in  you'll have to coil it
up just a little to get it in the opening. But it will then kind of expand to the size of the impeller housing and hold itself in place.
Depending on the thickness of the steel that your using. Remember or consider that your measurement is going to be the OD
of the piece that you have rolled. The guy doing the rolling should be able to help you with that.
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