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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Original Message   Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm
Hi Everyone, snowblower noob here.

First off, GREAT forum. :vg: I've spent the last few days researching here, and the amount and quality of information is superb.

I live in SouthWestern Quebec.(1 hour n/w of Montreal) Our annual snowfall averages around 7 feet. We rarely get storms that'll dump 1 foot of snow, but it does happen.

My driveway is roughly 135' long, double-width, and a "Y" that extends around the front of the house. Total sq. footage of paved surface is over 4000 sq.ft. My driveway has a sloped entry of approximately 15-20 degrees, and 50' long, and the mouth of the entrance is roughly 40' wide. That 40' mouth is a bear to shovel out after the friendly snow-plow dude buries me in.

About me, I'm 62, and just recovering from a back injury which has kept me off work for just over 4 months now. In the past, I've been shoveling the driveway with a snow-scraper. This year, I'm going to buy my first-ever snow-blower.

After reading through many threads here, I realize there are many Ariens fans here. Although I've looked at the Ariens machines in the past, I think I'm going to go with the heavy-duty Troy-Bilt 33" machine. I'm still flexible at this point, and I'm also considering the Ariens 30"/305cc machine, but I intend to purchase by next weekend. (Oct.17th) I'm interested in your comments and opinions.

The Troy-Bilt unit I'm presently looking at has a 357cc OHV PowerMore engine w/electric start, 16" impeller and augers, 16"x6.5" tires, halogen light/hand-warmers, remote chute direction-deflection, and a 4 year warranty, for $1899. CDN. At 379 lbs, it strikes me as being a much more robust machine than the smaller 30" Ariens unit that I'm also considering (305 cc/$1599./245 lbs). Financing for the Troy-Bilt is 0% interest, no payments, no fees, for 1 year. I'm looking for a unit that can throw at least 30', and preferably over 40'. While the Ariens "32" Pro" series looks interesting, it's also $800. more than the Troy-Bilt here in Quebec, with a shorter 3 year warranty.($2699.)

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2 ... ?locale=en


http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stor ... PartNumber

I have no intention to use this machine commercially btw, otherwise, I might consider the Ariens 32" Pro series. The smaller Ariens unit (30") has smaller tires than the Troy-Bilt(15"??), no hand-warmers, manual chute deflection, smaller motor, smaller frame, shorter warranty, smaller augers and impeller, but it's $300. less than the Troy-Bilt. Doesn't seem worthwhile. What do you guys think?

The Troy-Bilts' "PowerMore" 357cc engine is manufactured in China, by the same folks who manufacture Harley-Davidson engines. It has a cast-iron cylinder-sleeve, cast-iron cam-shaft, and forged-steel crank-shaft. I'm presently awaiting confirmation of the16"  impeller rotation-speed from MTD..If it's the same as the 12" model, it should be 1123 rpm. That would put it at roughly the same tip-speed as a 14" impeller, turning at 1300 rpm. (roughly 53-54 mph.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Bob

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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #25   Oct 15, 2010 2:47 pm
Hi Steve,

I'm not that far from the border,,, say 1 1/2 hrs to Plattsburgh NY. Problem is, you buy a machine in the US, and my local dealers won't service it, at least for warranty repairs.

Any idea Steve, on what current pricing is like in the US for a HS928TCD? That's the bare-bones version of the 928, with no light' no electric-start, and no electric chute control. I thought I read somewhere, that Honda USA offers financing at very low, or 0% financing. The price here in Quebec is $3399. plus 15.5% tax. That's over $3900. and our dollar is currently fluctuating around par with the greenback.

A 928 with electric start, is $3999 plus tax,,,, $4630.........Insanity.

Mebbe I'm just a tightwad.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #26   Oct 15, 2010 6:46 pm
drifter wrote:
Hi Steve,

I'm not that far from the border,,, say 1 1/2 hrs to Plattsburgh NY. Problem is, you buy a machine in the US, and my local dealers won't service it, at least for warranty repairs.

Any idea Steve, on what current pricing is like in the US for a HS928TCD? That's the bare-bones version of the 928, with no light' no electric-start, and no electric chute control. I thought I read somewhere, that Honda USA offers financing at very low, or 0% financing. The price here in Quebec is $3399. plus 15.5% tax. That's over $3900. and our dollar is currently fluctuating around par with the greenback.

A 928 with electric start, is $3999 plus tax,,,, $4630.........Insanity.

Mebbe I'm just a tightwad.



They do sell the Honda 928TAS I can find out what those cost tommorrow if you like. The dealership is closed now. If you drive down  as far as New Hampshire there is no sales tax. So that would net you a discount of $465 which would buy you a lot of gas. New York has taxes too. For reference it takes me about 5 hours to drive to Montreal if I am not questioned too long at the border. Vermont is closer but has taxes as well. The price direct from Honda is $2,709USD that is for a TA model with no electric Start. The 928TAS with the tracks and electric start is $2,909USD. I had the electric start and found it was useless since it pulls over so easily. Now remember that's retail from Honda. The dealers will probably discount it a bit to make a fast sale. I can give you the name & numbers of dealers around my area but there might be some closer to Vermont. I recall I didn't want the electric start and that's all they had so they discounted $100 off the unit, so I got the electric start for $50.

I guess you have to figure out how many repairs under warranty you will have versus saving about $1,000USD seems like that would cover a lot of repairs tho.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #27   Oct 15, 2010 9:49 pm
Steve,

I went to see another Honda dealer today, and told him of my plight, and lo and behold, the guy offers me $100. off,,,, and free delivery. It ain't much mind you, but it's a starting point. He'll also throw in the light for free.......... I smell blood.

Another development too;  He has a client who's returning an HS1132 TCD which he bought last winter, because it's too big for him. We had the lightest snowfall on record last year, and the guy barely used it. I'll have more details on that one by Monday, and possibly as early as tomorrow. That machine has a throughput rating of 65 metric-tons per hour. It's a beast. The salesman says it looks brand new, and that I can probably get that machine for roughly $3500, delivered, with full balance of warranty for 1 year. Hmmmmm. The plot thickens.

From there, I went to visit the new Yamaha machines, and they're quite a sight to behold. Their 928 sorta resembles a mini-Zamboni. There's a housing that surrounds the motor and gas-tank. This housing reduces engine noise substantially. VERY quiet machine.

Yamaha has put some really nice small touches on this series. For example, the top of the gas-tank sticks up slightly above the top of the housing, and surrounding the edge of the gas-tank(seam), there is a built-in drip-pan, for catching any fuel that accidentally drips on the machine. The fuel is then diverted to an opening on one side to channel fuel away from the motor, and/or  allow for possible recovery.

Yamaha has also lined the interior of the chute, as well as the impeller housing, with what appears to be Teflon. The pieces are user-replaceable. Simple idea, and a great idea too. The sheets look to be roughly 1/8" thick.

There is also a "pin" on  the left front track drive-wheel shaft, and that pin can be pulled, making the tracks independent. of one another, which allows you to turn the machine easily on a concrete floor. Mind you, the guy had a tough time reinserting that pin.

I also learned some very neat tricks today, for turning the Honda track machines on a concrete floor, with almost no effort. One finger, and voila.  Another cool thing was that the machine easily climbs stairs, in the event that you want to clear a walkway, or a deck. Kewel.

Edit; Oh yeah,  I forgot to mention that the Yamaha dealer claimed that their 928 throws up to 75'.
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Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #28   Oct 15, 2010 10:27 pm
Well I'd say you are all set as long as the guy returning the 1132 didn't drive it into a big rock. It's a big machine tho and it will handle differently in snow than in a showroom.

It sounds like you have some good options up there and if not you can always buy in the US if you need to. The Yamaha is overkill but looks great. Honda makes a mega machine for Canada that has tracks and can steer them indepentantly, shame it costs like $8,000USD!

Be sure to post whatever unit you end up with. i'm sure you'll love the Honda as long as you don't have a small wife like mine. :)

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #29   Oct 15, 2010 11:07 pm
Will do Steve. I'm still hunting though. I'll use these proposals to try and wangle a bit more of a deal from my local dealer here in town. These guys by the way, claim that they only make $50. profit on a machine, and that if it was up to them, they wouldn't sell them at all.     I was waiting for the guy to try and sell me a bridge in Manhattan.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #30   Oct 16, 2010 6:43 am
drifter wrote:
Will do Steve. I'm still hunting though. I'll use these proposals to try and wangle a bit more of a deal from my local dealer here in town. These guys by the way, claim that they only make $50. profit on a machine, and that if it was up to them, they wouldn't sell them at all.     I was waiting for the guy to try and sell me a bridge in Manhattan.


You can be sure they make more than that if Honda does anything resembling typical retail. Also they get service and warranty work so they make money on the back end as well. But like a car dealer you never really know how much is really made on each unit. I never worry about the dealer, if there wasn't money in it they as a dealer wouldn't sell them and as a sales person they'd find another job and clearly neither is doing that.
This message was modified Oct 16, 2010 by Steve_Cebu


"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #31   Oct 16, 2010 7:04 am
drifter wrote:
.

I also learned some very neat tricks today, for turning the Honda track machines on a concrete floor, with almost no effort. One finger, and voila.  Another cool thing was that the machine easily climbs stairs, in the event that you want to clear a walkway, or a deck. Kewel.

Edit; Oh yeah,  I forgot to mention that the Yamaha dealer claimed that their 928 throws up to 75'.


Please elaborate further....

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
Points: 532

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #32   Oct 16, 2010 7:14 am
FrankMA wrote:
Please elaborate further....

He walked into the Honda dealer, pointed to the corner in the opposite side of the showroom and said "I would like to see what it looks like over there."
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #33   Oct 16, 2010 7:26 am
I already have the furniture dolly so I hope that's not the solution.... Kind of hoping for some sort of revelation as far as moving my 928TA without the engine running.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #34   Oct 16, 2010 9:09 am
You can disengage the transmission from the axle by sliding that little lever near the foot pedal to the side.  The tracks will roll. 

It's not a relevation, but it works if you only need to move it 10 feet.  Any further, I'd go with the dolly
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