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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Original Message   Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm
Hi Everyone, snowblower noob here.

First off, GREAT forum. :vg: I've spent the last few days researching here, and the amount and quality of information is superb.

I live in SouthWestern Quebec.(1 hour n/w of Montreal) Our annual snowfall averages around 7 feet. We rarely get storms that'll dump 1 foot of snow, but it does happen.

My driveway is roughly 135' long, double-width, and a "Y" that extends around the front of the house. Total sq. footage of paved surface is over 4000 sq.ft. My driveway has a sloped entry of approximately 15-20 degrees, and 50' long, and the mouth of the entrance is roughly 40' wide. That 40' mouth is a bear to shovel out after the friendly snow-plow dude buries me in.

About me, I'm 62, and just recovering from a back injury which has kept me off work for just over 4 months now. In the past, I've been shoveling the driveway with a snow-scraper. This year, I'm going to buy my first-ever snow-blower.

After reading through many threads here, I realize there are many Ariens fans here. Although I've looked at the Ariens machines in the past, I think I'm going to go with the heavy-duty Troy-Bilt 33" machine. I'm still flexible at this point, and I'm also considering the Ariens 30"/305cc machine, but I intend to purchase by next weekend. (Oct.17th) I'm interested in your comments and opinions.

The Troy-Bilt unit I'm presently looking at has a 357cc OHV PowerMore engine w/electric start, 16" impeller and augers, 16"x6.5" tires, halogen light/hand-warmers, remote chute direction-deflection, and a 4 year warranty, for $1899. CDN. At 379 lbs, it strikes me as being a much more robust machine than the smaller 30" Ariens unit that I'm also considering (305 cc/$1599./245 lbs). Financing for the Troy-Bilt is 0% interest, no payments, no fees, for 1 year. I'm looking for a unit that can throw at least 30', and preferably over 40'. While the Ariens "32" Pro" series looks interesting, it's also $800. more than the Troy-Bilt here in Quebec, with a shorter 3 year warranty.($2699.)

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2 ... ?locale=en


http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stor ... PartNumber

I have no intention to use this machine commercially btw, otherwise, I might consider the Ariens 32" Pro series. The smaller Ariens unit (30") has smaller tires than the Troy-Bilt(15"??), no hand-warmers, manual chute deflection, smaller motor, smaller frame, shorter warranty, smaller augers and impeller, but it's $300. less than the Troy-Bilt. Doesn't seem worthwhile. What do you guys think?

The Troy-Bilts' "PowerMore" 357cc engine is manufactured in China, by the same folks who manufacture Harley-Davidson engines. It has a cast-iron cylinder-sleeve, cast-iron cam-shaft, and forged-steel crank-shaft. I'm presently awaiting confirmation of the16"  impeller rotation-speed from MTD..If it's the same as the 12" model, it should be 1123 rpm. That would put it at roughly the same tip-speed as a 14" impeller, turning at 1300 rpm. (roughly 53-54 mph.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Bob

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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #17   Oct 15, 2010 12:51 am
I wonder if a military-surplus flame-thrower might be a cheaper alternative.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #18   Oct 15, 2010 12:55 am
drifter wrote:
I wonder if a military-surplus flame-thrower might be a cheaper alternative.

Probably, but you can only have so much fun until the neighbors call the cops.

I prefer spending winters in Florida over the flame thrower.
This message was modified Oct 15, 2010 by aa335
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #19   Oct 15, 2010 1:07 am
drifter wrote:
Thanks aa335.

On a side-note, I just found out that my annual average snowfall is not 7 feet. That number was for Montreal. I'm in the Laurentian foothills, close to the Ottawa River valley, and the annual average snowfall for Lachute is 10.5'. Geesh,,,,no wonder I'm tired of shoveling.

Geez,

What are you complaining about?  With that kind of snowfall per year, I'd be tempting you to get a Kubota tractor with a front mount snowblower. 

And that's with a heated cab and a rocking stereo system.

I have a new found respect for you, to be able to shovel that much snow and still have energy to chase down the missus.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #20   Oct 15, 2010 7:31 am
drifter wrote:
DON'T tempt me,

Thank God my local dealer doesn't have one (HS928TCD) in stock. He has only one, and it's an HS724TCD. Why can't I find any detailed specs on these machines,,,, argh !!! The HS724TCD looks too small for my needs, but,,,, mebbe not.



Hi drifter: I just sold my Honda HS624WA (wheel drive) that I used for 10 years - what a great machine. IMO this is the perfect combination of compactness and power in a 2 stage snowblower. You do have to take a smaller bite sometimes, especially at the EOD but that is offset by virtue of its compact design if that is a consideration.The only reason I sold it was a friend got relocated down south and no longer needed his barely used Honda HS928TA (track drive) so I scooped it up before he moved. I have quite a bit of area to clear - 150' of sloped driveway with a good sized EOD area, several walkways that lead to the back of my house, 12' x 40' deck, runways that lead to my firewood stacks, etc... It usually takes me about 3 hours start to finish for an 8" - 12" snowfall, sometimes a little more if it's real wet and heavy, sometimes a little less if it's real light and fluffy.

I have not had the opportunity to use my new 928 yet as I picked it up in mid March of this year and we unfortunately did not have a good, snowy winter last year. The last storm with any marked accumulation was in late February so needless to say, it has been a very long spring, summer and now fall for me waiting to use my new toy! I had originally purchased my 624 as a used 2 y/o machine for $800.00 and sold it this past August for $750.00 one day after I posted it on CL - not a bad ROI for a 12 y/o snowblower. I probably could have got more if I held out until this time of year but it kept getting in my way in my garage so away it went for $750.00. The only items I ever replaced were several sets of skid shoes, 1 scrapper plate, 8 or so shear pins and an oil change/spark plug every year, all standard wear or maintenance items. I purchased and mounted a headlight kit and put tubes in the tires as it was a PITA to air them up every fall after they went airless during the downtime, getting the beads to seat properly with a handpump was the problem.

I had a much smaller property when I purchased it and had considered it a bit too small for my current property when I first moved but as I said earlier, you just have to take a smaller bite in some areas, EOD in particular. I was actually starting to peruse CL in late February/early March for a HS928 as that is the time when a lot of people are starting to unload their used snowblowers for fairly short $$$. My friends situation developed at this time and the rest is history. I think you would be well served with the HS928TCD for your situation and would definitely benefit from the track drive model. I did not mean to be so long winded but I thought this information would prove helpful in your purchasing decision. Good Luck!

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #21   Oct 15, 2010 9:31 am
Model                               auger, impeller, impeller, engine, impeller output                             

920012 Compact 22LE    11 12  1190 9.5 ft-lbs     3738(1139)
920013 Compact 22E      11 12  1190 Sub SX17   3738(1139)
920014 Compact 24LE    11 12  1190 9.0               3738(1139)
920015 Compact 26LE    11 12  1190 11.5             3738(1139)
921013 Deluxe 30             14 14  1010 14.5 ft-lbs   3702 (1128)
921017 Deluxe 24 Plat    14 14  1010 11.5 ft-lbs    3702 (1128)
921018 Deluxe 30 Plat    14 14  1010 16.5 ft-lbs    3702 (1128)
921019 Deluxe 24           14 14  1010 Sub SX21     3702(1128)
921020 Deluxe 30           14 14  1010 Sub SX30     3702(1128)
921022 Deluxe 28           14 14  1010 11.5 ft-lbs     3702(1128)
921023 Deluxe T28         14 14  1010 11.5 ft-lbs     3702(1128)
923037 Pro                       16 14  1112 14.5ft-lbs      4076 (1242)
932038 Pro                       16 14  1112 15.5 ft-lbs     4076 (1242)
932039 Pro                       16 14  1112 16.5 ft-lbs     4076 (1242)
932040 Pro                       16 14  1112 16.5 ft-lbs     4076(1242)
926104 Pro                       16 14  1112 16.5 ft-lbs     4076(1242)
926105 Pro                       16 14  1112 16.5 ft-lbs     4076(1242)

drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #22   Oct 15, 2010 12:11 pm
aa335 wrote:
Geez,

What are you complaining about?  With that kind of snowfall per year, I'd be tempting you to get a Kubota tractor with a front mount snowblower. 

And that's with a heated cab and a rocking stereo system.

I have a new found respect for you, to be able to shovel that much snow and still have energy to chase down the missus.

Yeah, my buddy works for a snow-removal company, and they drive huge machines. Every now and then, if he passes by my house during a storm, he'll pull into my driveway, and give me a "freebie". Takes him about 4-5 minutes. He's in the closed cab, wearing a long-sleeved t-shirt (no jacket), and the musics' blaring. His machine is so big, I can't reach the top of the tires. The bucket is huge, and he can vary the width of the bucket (hydraulic system. These guys do shopping centers, hospitals, and a huge inter-provincial bridge which joins  Hawkesbury Ont. / Grenville Qc.)
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #23   Oct 15, 2010 1:01 pm
FrankMA wrote:
Hi drifter: I think you would be well served with the HS928TCD for your situation and would definitely benefit from the track drive model.

Yeah, I'm starting to think the same way. I'm really impressed with these track machines, and the throughput. One thing I've noticed on the Youtube videos, is the pace at which the operators advance through the snow. It's not only about "throw distance". Very impressive.

I just called a Yamaha dealer, and he has the re-born Yamaha snow-throwers in stock. I may go see one today if time permits. Mind you, he's an hours' drive away. His 928 version sells for $4k, and Yamaha has no financing deals available. Apparently, the Yamahas are very quiet.

If Honda/Yamaha offered financing deals, I'd probably jump in with both feet. As it stands, I'm having a helluva hard time justifying spending $4600 (tax incl), on a HS928T snow thrower, when I could hire someone to do it for me at $400-$500 / season. I guess it just pisses me off that Honda USA is offering deals, and Honda Canada is not. That's the pill I have to swallow, and it's a BIG one. I searched the local "used" market, and nothing came up.

I realize these are "long term" trouble-free machines, but I'm not convinced I'll stay at my present location beyond the next 3-4 years, and that's another major consideration in my selection process.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #24   Oct 15, 2010 1:36 pm
Ay chance you could go over the border and buy one in the US? I know that I've seen a lot of people from Montreal and Quecbec City and that general area coming down here to buy stuff including cars and campers/RV's/motorcycles.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #25   Oct 15, 2010 2:47 pm
Hi Steve,

I'm not that far from the border,,, say 1 1/2 hrs to Plattsburgh NY. Problem is, you buy a machine in the US, and my local dealers won't service it, at least for warranty repairs.

Any idea Steve, on what current pricing is like in the US for a HS928TCD? That's the bare-bones version of the 928, with no light' no electric-start, and no electric chute control. I thought I read somewhere, that Honda USA offers financing at very low, or 0% financing. The price here in Quebec is $3399. plus 15.5% tax. That's over $3900. and our dollar is currently fluctuating around par with the greenback.

A 928 with electric start, is $3999 plus tax,,,, $4630.........Insanity.

Mebbe I'm just a tightwad.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #26   Oct 15, 2010 6:46 pm
drifter wrote:
Hi Steve,

I'm not that far from the border,,, say 1 1/2 hrs to Plattsburgh NY. Problem is, you buy a machine in the US, and my local dealers won't service it, at least for warranty repairs.

Any idea Steve, on what current pricing is like in the US for a HS928TCD? That's the bare-bones version of the 928, with no light' no electric-start, and no electric chute control. I thought I read somewhere, that Honda USA offers financing at very low, or 0% financing. The price here in Quebec is $3399. plus 15.5% tax. That's over $3900. and our dollar is currently fluctuating around par with the greenback.

A 928 with electric start, is $3999 plus tax,,,, $4630.........Insanity.

Mebbe I'm just a tightwad.



They do sell the Honda 928TAS I can find out what those cost tommorrow if you like. The dealership is closed now. If you drive down  as far as New Hampshire there is no sales tax. So that would net you a discount of $465 which would buy you a lot of gas. New York has taxes too. For reference it takes me about 5 hours to drive to Montreal if I am not questioned too long at the border. Vermont is closer but has taxes as well. The price direct from Honda is $2,709USD that is for a TA model with no electric Start. The 928TAS with the tracks and electric start is $2,909USD. I had the electric start and found it was useless since it pulls over so easily. Now remember that's retail from Honda. The dealers will probably discount it a bit to make a fast sale. I can give you the name & numbers of dealers around my area but there might be some closer to Vermont. I recall I didn't want the electric start and that's all they had so they discounted $100 off the unit, so I got the electric start for $50.

I guess you have to figure out how many repairs under warranty you will have versus saving about $1,000USD seems like that would cover a lot of repairs tho.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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