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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Original Message   Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm
Hi Everyone, snowblower noob here.

First off, GREAT forum. :vg: I've spent the last few days researching here, and the amount and quality of information is superb.

I live in SouthWestern Quebec.(1 hour n/w of Montreal) Our annual snowfall averages around 7 feet. We rarely get storms that'll dump 1 foot of snow, but it does happen.

My driveway is roughly 135' long, double-width, and a "Y" that extends around the front of the house. Total sq. footage of paved surface is over 4000 sq.ft. My driveway has a sloped entry of approximately 15-20 degrees, and 50' long, and the mouth of the entrance is roughly 40' wide. That 40' mouth is a bear to shovel out after the friendly snow-plow dude buries me in.

About me, I'm 62, and just recovering from a back injury which has kept me off work for just over 4 months now. In the past, I've been shoveling the driveway with a snow-scraper. This year, I'm going to buy my first-ever snow-blower.

After reading through many threads here, I realize there are many Ariens fans here. Although I've looked at the Ariens machines in the past, I think I'm going to go with the heavy-duty Troy-Bilt 33" machine. I'm still flexible at this point, and I'm also considering the Ariens 30"/305cc machine, but I intend to purchase by next weekend. (Oct.17th) I'm interested in your comments and opinions.

The Troy-Bilt unit I'm presently looking at has a 357cc OHV PowerMore engine w/electric start, 16" impeller and augers, 16"x6.5" tires, halogen light/hand-warmers, remote chute direction-deflection, and a 4 year warranty, for $1899. CDN. At 379 lbs, it strikes me as being a much more robust machine than the smaller 30" Ariens unit that I'm also considering (305 cc/$1599./245 lbs). Financing for the Troy-Bilt is 0% interest, no payments, no fees, for 1 year. I'm looking for a unit that can throw at least 30', and preferably over 40'. While the Ariens "32" Pro" series looks interesting, it's also $800. more than the Troy-Bilt here in Quebec, with a shorter 3 year warranty.($2699.)

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2 ... ?locale=en


http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stor ... PartNumber

I have no intention to use this machine commercially btw, otherwise, I might consider the Ariens 32" Pro series. The smaller Ariens unit (30") has smaller tires than the Troy-Bilt(15"??), no hand-warmers, manual chute deflection, smaller motor, smaller frame, shorter warranty, smaller augers and impeller, but it's $300. less than the Troy-Bilt. Doesn't seem worthwhile. What do you guys think?

The Troy-Bilts' "PowerMore" 357cc engine is manufactured in China, by the same folks who manufacture Harley-Davidson engines. It has a cast-iron cylinder-sleeve, cast-iron cam-shaft, and forged-steel crank-shaft. I'm presently awaiting confirmation of the16"  impeller rotation-speed from MTD..If it's the same as the 12" model, it should be 1123 rpm. That would put it at roughly the same tip-speed as a 14" impeller, turning at 1300 rpm. (roughly 53-54 mph.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Bob

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FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #46   Oct 16, 2010 12:17 pm
aa335 wrote:
While we're on the topic of moving up and down the bucket in 3 different positions

aa335: Which position do find yourself using most often? I have not had the opportunity to use my new toy yet and am curious about the transport mode position. Seems like this allows the operator the choice of having the scrapper bar make contact with the pavment or having it slightly off the pavement.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #47   Oct 16, 2010 12:22 pm
I rarely use the scraper setting (bucket angled down, lots of weight).  It's too much strain on the snowblower.  If I do use it, I go very slow give the auger plenty of time to chew the ice up. 

I use the normal (middle) setting for clearing snow, and the transport setting (bucket up) at the end of the row for making tight 90 and 180 / u-turns.  I do use the pedals a lot to go from these two settings.   Hence, the a hydraulic lift assist and lever would be much more convenient over the manual lift and pedal.
This message was modified Oct 16, 2010 by aa335
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #48   Oct 16, 2010 12:38 pm
I'm still so new to these machines that I didn't realize there were different methods for raising the augers. I'll check-out that hydraulic system when I go back.

On a side-note; I'm checking out the "used" market today, and I just missed an 11-32 for $2000. I don't know how old it was, but it looked new (newly repainted).

I was surprised to see that for the most part, 2 year old and less HS928's, are going for $3200. plus.  I'll keep looking, but that 1 year-old HS11-32 which the dealer is receiving, is starting to look attractive at $3500.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #49   Oct 16, 2010 3:50 pm
FrankMA wrote:
Thanks drifter and aa335: I know about the tranny disengagement lever to "freewheel" the tranny but the using one finger to move it thing has me puzzled. I'm in pretty good shape and there's no way I could move my 928 with one finger - the machine weighs about 250 lbs. as it is. Just curious as to what he did to be able to accomplish this task. aa335, are you able to pull this off somehow with your machine? 


I had a 928TAS and believe me there is no way you can move it with one finger unless you are "Andre the Giant". Yes you can freewheel the tracks as has been stated but you are still moving 200+ lbs. on tracks. The lever to tilt the bucket is a cool feature and it actually has 3 positions way up like 2 inches high and then near the ground and then scraping the ground. That's how mine was setup anyway. Also a cool feature as the machine tends to stay put and not ride up.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #50   Oct 17, 2010 12:19 am
Guys, I'm starting to think there might be a "blue" snow thrower in my driveway shortly.

I dunno,,,, that Yamaha YS928J sure is starting to look VERY attractive to me. I really liked how quiet this machine was. It has 12vdc start (battery), the engine shroud which keeps noise levels down, serrated scraper-bar, teflon-lined chute and impeller housing, fuel gauge(need to verify), drift-cutter, auto-choke, and electronic chute control.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=3537&section=td&group=G#contentTop
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #51   Oct 17, 2010 12:36 am
drifter wrote:
Guys, I'm starting to think there might be a "blue" snow thrower in my driveway shortly.

I dunno,,,, that Yamaha YS928J sure is starting to look VERY attractive to me. I really liked how quiet this machine was. It has 12vdc start (battery), the engine shroud which keeps noise levels down, serrated scraper-bar, teflon-lined chute and impeller housing, fuel gauge(need to verify), drift-cutter, auto-choke, and electronic chute control.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=3537&section=td&group=G#contentTop


Supposed to be a great machine but expensive. If you do buy one take pics of it. :)

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #52   Oct 17, 2010 1:11 am
Will do Steve,

I have to go back and take a closer look at both,,, the Honda and the Yamaha. They're both the same price when you choose the electric-start models.

I want to actually operate the bucket-lift mechanisms, and I want to move both machines around. Small detail; I'm not certain the Yammy has hand-warmers.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #53   Oct 17, 2010 6:38 am
drifter wrote:
Guys, I'm starting to think there might be a "blue" snow thrower in my driveway shortly.

I dunno,,,, that Yamaha YS928J sure is starting to look VERY attractive to me. I really liked how quiet this machine was. It has 12vdc start (battery), the engine shroud which keeps noise levels down, serrated scraper-bar, teflon-lined chute and impeller housing, fuel gauge(need to verify), drift-cutter, auto-choke, and electronic chute control.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=3537&section=td&group=G#contentTop


drifter: That is one impressive machine! Looks very up to any snow clearing task you could possibly throiw at it - at 373 lbs. it's a real beast. Please keep us posted and don't forget pictures when (not if) you buy it and get it home.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #54   Oct 17, 2010 10:23 am
FrankMA wrote:
drifter: That is one impressive machine! Looks very up to any snow clearing task you could possibly throiw at it - at 373 lbs. it's a real beast. Please keep us posted and don't forget pictures when (not if) you buy it and get it home.

Hehehehehe , I dunno there FrankMA. It's a tough call. The Hondas are lighter, but noisier. Yamaha has a 1 year commercial warranty, vs 3 months for the Honda, which doesn't really affect me, but may speak to the ruggedness of the Yamaha. Both have the same 2 year residential warranty.

The Yamaha definitely has the advantage as far as noise levels are concerned. If I come home late at night, and the snow-plow has buried the end of my driveway, I can fire it up without disturbing the neighbor.

I'm still uncertain as to the electronic chute controls on both machines. Strikes me as a possible failure-point. I wonder how reliable those things are, and what your options are in the event of failure.

I also want to find out about back-up start, in case the battery dies on the electric-start models. The Honda has a manual back-up starter on the TCS models.

Last but not least,,,, justifying spending that kind of money on a snow-thrower at my age. Mind you, the re-sale values are so good, that it probably wouldn't cost much in the long run, and I'd be working with a top-flight machine. The flip-side of that argument is, will I still want to be doing my own snow-removal after I completely retire (2 1/2 years at most).
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #55   Oct 17, 2010 1:09 pm
That is a lot of $$$. I bought both of my Hondas as used machines and saved a bunch a dough (I kind of stumbled upon both). The only suggestion I could make is to scour CL or other similar sites every day, many times/day and be prepared to jump on a new posting immediately. You could also try "searchtempest.com" which is a tool that allows you to search CL and E-Bay outside of your typical geographic area. I found my Garden Tractor employing this technique and it works - you just have to be very diligent. Have your $$$ ready and get as much info from the seller as possible or you might end up wasting a bunch of your time. Some people's idea of "excellent condition" or "like new" can vary widely.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
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