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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
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Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Original Message   Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm
Hi Everyone, snowblower noob here.

First off, GREAT forum. :vg: I've spent the last few days researching here, and the amount and quality of information is superb.

I live in SouthWestern Quebec.(1 hour n/w of Montreal) Our annual snowfall averages around 7 feet. We rarely get storms that'll dump 1 foot of snow, but it does happen.

My driveway is roughly 135' long, double-width, and a "Y" that extends around the front of the house. Total sq. footage of paved surface is over 4000 sq.ft. My driveway has a sloped entry of approximately 15-20 degrees, and 50' long, and the mouth of the entrance is roughly 40' wide. That 40' mouth is a bear to shovel out after the friendly snow-plow dude buries me in.

About me, I'm 62, and just recovering from a back injury which has kept me off work for just over 4 months now. In the past, I've been shoveling the driveway with a snow-scraper. This year, I'm going to buy my first-ever snow-blower.

After reading through many threads here, I realize there are many Ariens fans here. Although I've looked at the Ariens machines in the past, I think I'm going to go with the heavy-duty Troy-Bilt 33" machine. I'm still flexible at this point, and I'm also considering the Ariens 30"/305cc machine, but I intend to purchase by next weekend. (Oct.17th) I'm interested in your comments and opinions.

The Troy-Bilt unit I'm presently looking at has a 357cc OHV PowerMore engine w/electric start, 16" impeller and augers, 16"x6.5" tires, halogen light/hand-warmers, remote chute direction-deflection, and a 4 year warranty, for $1899. CDN. At 379 lbs, it strikes me as being a much more robust machine than the smaller 30" Ariens unit that I'm also considering (305 cc/$1599./245 lbs). Financing for the Troy-Bilt is 0% interest, no payments, no fees, for 1 year. I'm looking for a unit that can throw at least 30', and preferably over 40'. While the Ariens "32" Pro" series looks interesting, it's also $800. more than the Troy-Bilt here in Quebec, with a shorter 3 year warranty.($2699.)

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2 ... ?locale=en


http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stor ... PartNumber

I have no intention to use this machine commercially btw, otherwise, I might consider the Ariens 32" Pro series. The smaller Ariens unit (30") has smaller tires than the Troy-Bilt(15"??), no hand-warmers, manual chute deflection, smaller motor, smaller frame, shorter warranty, smaller augers and impeller, but it's $300. less than the Troy-Bilt. Doesn't seem worthwhile. What do you guys think?

The Troy-Bilts' "PowerMore" 357cc engine is manufactured in China, by the same folks who manufacture Harley-Davidson engines. It has a cast-iron cylinder-sleeve, cast-iron cam-shaft, and forged-steel crank-shaft. I'm presently awaiting confirmation of the16"  impeller rotation-speed from MTD..If it's the same as the 12" model, it should be 1123 rpm. That would put it at roughly the same tip-speed as a 14" impeller, turning at 1300 rpm. (roughly 53-54 mph.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Bob

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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #41   Oct 16, 2010 10:03 am
I can't do it with one finger.  Even with the transmission disengaged, it still require considerable force to push or pull on the handles.  You can get it turn easier by putting all your weight on the handlebars to lift the bucket off the ground.  Then just pirouette around the back end of the tracks, instead of the full length.

I guess you can pivot around the bucket, but that puts a lot of weight on the skids.  You would risk scratching your floor.  Never used this technique though.

I have a dolly if I want to move it around a lot.  I can get the snowblower on the dolly without using the engine and tracks to crawl up.  :)  It's easier than you think, but requires some creative work.  It's all leverage and technique.  If you muscle against a 250lb tracked snowblower, well, u get a good workout.
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FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #42   Oct 16, 2010 10:10 am
drifter wrote:
FrankMA,

Have you tried lifting your augers? With the augers lifted, you just apply a small amount of pressure under the handles, This rocks the machine forward, and it's very easy to lift the back of the tracks off the ground. The tracks are on their "tip-toes" so-to-speak. The full length of the track is not contacting the floor,,,, only the forward tips of the tracks are touching the floor. Now, you simply rotate the machine, and there's very little resistance.


I  must be missing something? There are 3 positions that I'm aware of on these units high, middle and low. High is transport mode where the bucket is slightly off the ground, middle is where the scrapper bar makes contact with the ground and low is where the scrapper is really digging into the ground. I just went down to my garage and tried what you described but the best I could do was to get the bucket to contact the ground and kind of spin the whole machine using the bucket as a pivot point. Is this what the salesman did?

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #43   Oct 16, 2010 10:34 am
I think the salesman stepped on the pedal and locked the bucket up in transport mode, lift up on the handle bars. The bucket will drop slightly, the weight of the snowblower shift to the front of the tracks, then turn on just the small track contact patch.
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #44   Oct 16, 2010 11:25 am
Yep, that's it aa335. I don't think the bucket was touching the ground, and in retrospect, I'm quite sure it wasn't. I was just looking at the tracks, and only the portion of track under the drive-wheels was contacting the floor. From there, it was simply a matter of rotating the machine left or right. No heavy lifting at all.

For clarity's sake, I should also point out that the 1-finger method, was simply for rotating the machine. It had nothing to do with displacing the machine to another area..
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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #45   Oct 16, 2010 12:08 pm
drifter,

While we're on the topic of moving up and down the bucket in 3 different positions, I just remembered something about the HS928TCD that the bare bones 928TA does not have.  It is the hydraulic assist and lever to actuate the bucket up and down.  The US version, non - TCD, have the pedal instead of the lever.  While it does the job, I would prefer a lever because trying to step on that pedal while you're on ice covered ground puts you at risking of slipping. 

If the salesman hasn't already demonstrated this feature, it may be worthwhile to check it out to see whether it's worth the additional cost of the TCD models.

You're already seriously considering the Honda, a little more $ for the TCD may be better in the long run.
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FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #46   Oct 16, 2010 12:17 pm
aa335 wrote:
While we're on the topic of moving up and down the bucket in 3 different positions

aa335: Which position do find yourself using most often? I have not had the opportunity to use my new toy yet and am curious about the transport mode position. Seems like this allows the operator the choice of having the scrapper bar make contact with the pavment or having it slightly off the pavement.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #47   Oct 16, 2010 12:22 pm
I rarely use the scraper setting (bucket angled down, lots of weight).  It's too much strain on the snowblower.  If I do use it, I go very slow give the auger plenty of time to chew the ice up. 

I use the normal (middle) setting for clearing snow, and the transport setting (bucket up) at the end of the row for making tight 90 and 180 / u-turns.  I do use the pedals a lot to go from these two settings.   Hence, the a hydraulic lift assist and lever would be much more convenient over the manual lift and pedal.
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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #48   Oct 16, 2010 12:38 pm
I'm still so new to these machines that I didn't realize there were different methods for raising the augers. I'll check-out that hydraulic system when I go back.

On a side-note; I'm checking out the "used" market today, and I just missed an 11-32 for $2000. I don't know how old it was, but it looked new (newly repainted).

I was surprised to see that for the most part, 2 year old and less HS928's, are going for $3200. plus.  I'll keep looking, but that 1 year-old HS11-32 which the dealer is receiving, is starting to look attractive at $3500.
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #49   Oct 16, 2010 3:50 pm
FrankMA wrote:
Thanks drifter and aa335: I know about the tranny disengagement lever to "freewheel" the tranny but the using one finger to move it thing has me puzzled. I'm in pretty good shape and there's no way I could move my 928 with one finger - the machine weighs about 250 lbs. as it is. Just curious as to what he did to be able to accomplish this task. aa335, are you able to pull this off somehow with your machine? 


I had a 928TAS and believe me there is no way you can move it with one finger unless you are "Andre the Giant". Yes you can freewheel the tracks as has been stated but you are still moving 200+ lbs. on tracks. The lever to tilt the bucket is a cool feature and it actually has 3 positions way up like 2 inches high and then near the ground and then scraping the ground. That's how mine was setup anyway. Also a cool feature as the machine tends to stay put and not ride up.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #50   Oct 17, 2010 12:19 am
Guys, I'm starting to think there might be a "blue" snow thrower in my driveway shortly.

I dunno,,,, that Yamaha YS928J sure is starting to look VERY attractive to me. I really liked how quiet this machine was. It has 12vdc start (battery), the engine shroud which keeps noise levels down, serrated scraper-bar, teflon-lined chute and impeller housing, fuel gauge(need to verify), drift-cutter, auto-choke, and electronic chute control.

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=3537&section=td&group=G#contentTop
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