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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Original Message   Oct 13, 2010 12:06 pm
Hi Everyone, snowblower noob here.

First off, GREAT forum. :vg: I've spent the last few days researching here, and the amount and quality of information is superb.

I live in SouthWestern Quebec.(1 hour n/w of Montreal) Our annual snowfall averages around 7 feet. We rarely get storms that'll dump 1 foot of snow, but it does happen.

My driveway is roughly 135' long, double-width, and a "Y" that extends around the front of the house. Total sq. footage of paved surface is over 4000 sq.ft. My driveway has a sloped entry of approximately 15-20 degrees, and 50' long, and the mouth of the entrance is roughly 40' wide. That 40' mouth is a bear to shovel out after the friendly snow-plow dude buries me in.

About me, I'm 62, and just recovering from a back injury which has kept me off work for just over 4 months now. In the past, I've been shoveling the driveway with a snow-scraper. This year, I'm going to buy my first-ever snow-blower.

After reading through many threads here, I realize there are many Ariens fans here. Although I've looked at the Ariens machines in the past, I think I'm going to go with the heavy-duty Troy-Bilt 33" machine. I'm still flexible at this point, and I'm also considering the Ariens 30"/305cc machine, but I intend to purchase by next weekend. (Oct.17th) I'm interested in your comments and opinions.

The Troy-Bilt unit I'm presently looking at has a 357cc OHV PowerMore engine w/electric start, 16" impeller and augers, 16"x6.5" tires, halogen light/hand-warmers, remote chute direction-deflection, and a 4 year warranty, for $1899. CDN. At 379 lbs, it strikes me as being a much more robust machine than the smaller 30" Ariens unit that I'm also considering (305 cc/$1599./245 lbs). Financing for the Troy-Bilt is 0% interest, no payments, no fees, for 1 year. I'm looking for a unit that can throw at least 30', and preferably over 40'. While the Ariens "32" Pro" series looks interesting, it's also $800. more than the Troy-Bilt here in Quebec, with a shorter 3 year warranty.($2699.)

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/2 ... ?locale=en


http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stor ... PartNumber

I have no intention to use this machine commercially btw, otherwise, I might consider the Ariens 32" Pro series. The smaller Ariens unit (30") has smaller tires than the Troy-Bilt(15"??), no hand-warmers, manual chute deflection, smaller motor, smaller frame, shorter warranty, smaller augers and impeller, but it's $300. less than the Troy-Bilt. Doesn't seem worthwhile. What do you guys think?

The Troy-Bilts' "PowerMore" 357cc engine is manufactured in China, by the same folks who manufacture Harley-Davidson engines. It has a cast-iron cylinder-sleeve, cast-iron cam-shaft, and forged-steel crank-shaft. I'm presently awaiting confirmation of the16"  impeller rotation-speed from MTD..If it's the same as the 12" model, it should be 1123 rpm. That would put it at roughly the same tip-speed as a 14" impeller, turning at 1300 rpm. (roughly 53-54 mph.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Bob

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drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #137   Oct 22, 2010 9:58 am
Thanks FrankMA and Steve,

We just off-loaded the machine from the truck, and I'm going to get out there to polish it up a bit. It's been sitting in the guys' garage for almost two years, and it's a bit dusty. There a bit of rust on the augers and the impeller, and I'm not certain that it would be worth the effort to re-paint them. The paint would probably come off anyway, the first time I go through some EOD. The rest of the machine is pristine. The paint inside the chute, as well as in the bucket, is perfectly intact, with no scratches or exposed metal. There is one tiny dent on the top-rear of the bucket, and that's about it. The tracks look brand-new. The crank-handle "sleeve" for the chute is missing however. The crank itself is fine, it's just that black "sleeve" on the handle that's missing. It starts first pull, and runs smoothly.

I might add a few things to the machine, but I'll read the manual first. I was thinking of adding an oil drain-extension-tube, like the new Yamahas have, but I'll have to give that more thought before proceeding. An extension-tube might be vulnerable to damage.

I'm wondering if I should run any fuel addatives through it as a precaution. The guy says he stored the machine in his heated garage, and because of that, he felt that adding Stabil was unnecessary. He said he stored it with the fuel-tank full, then he shut-off the gas-line, and let the machine run until the carburetor was empty and the motor stalled.

I'm also thinking of buying a cover for this machine. Any recommendations on where and what to buy?
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #138   Oct 22, 2010 12:51 pm
drifter wrote:
Thanks FrankMA and Steve,

I'm wondering if I should run any fuel addatives through it as a precaution. The guy says he stored the machine in his heated garage, and because of that, he felt that adding Stabil was unnecessary. He said he stored it with the fuel-tank full, then he shut-off the gas-line, and let the machine run until the carburetor was empty and the motor stalled.

I'm also thinking of buying a cover for this machine. Any recommendations on where and what to buy?



Sure thing, happy to help. I run Stabil in mine and I think it's great. We probably get more thaw and freeze than you do but so much gas today has water in it because of the 10% ethanol that I wouldn't run my snowblower without it. Stabil is great stuff and you don't use much. I just dump som into the 4 gallons I get and 4 gallons easily lasts me the entire winter. I might go 3 gallons this year.

Also when you get it hot and then it gets cold you get condensation so you do get water in it that way. I paid $10 for the Stabil at the local Honda Dealer and I have plenty of it left for this year.

No idea about a cover since mine is stored indoors in an unheated garage. I'm sure you can find one on Craigslist or for $$$$ at the local Honda dealer.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #139   Oct 22, 2010 4:01 pm
drifter wrote:
Thanks FrankMA and Steve,

We just off-loaded the machine from the truck, and I'm going to get out there to polish it up a bit. It's been sitting in the guys' garage for almost two years, and it's a bit dusty. There a bit of rust on the augers and the impeller, and I'm not certain that it would be worth the effort to re-paint them. The paint would probably come off anyway, the first time I go through some EOD. The rest of the machine is pristine. The paint inside the chute, as well as in the bucket, is perfectly intact, with no scratches or exposed metal. There is one tiny dent on the top-rear of the bucket, and that's about it. The tracks look brand-new. The crank-handle "sleeve" for the chute is missing however. The crank itself is fine, it's just that black "sleeve" on the handle that's missing. It starts first pull, and runs smoothly.

I might add a few things to the machine, but I'll read the manual first. I was thinking of adding an oil drain-extension-tube, like the new Yamahas have, but I'll have to give that more thought before proceeding. An extension-tube might be vulnerable to damage.

I'm wondering if I should run any fuel addatives through it as a precaution. The guy says he stored the machine in his heated garage, and because of that, he felt that adding Stabil was unnecessary. He said he stored it with the fuel-tank full, then he shut-off the gas-line, and let the machine run until the carburetor was empty and the motor stalled.

I'm also thinking of buying a cover for this machine. Any recommendations on where and what to buy?

The rust on the augers and impeller is going to happen no matter what you do. I usually spray either furniture polish or WD40 inside the bucket and chute before I use it to keep snow from sticking to the metal. This also helps to keep any rust at bay. I would drain that 2 y/o fuel out of the tank and add it to the almost full gas tank of your car or truck. I would not use any fuel over 3 months old that has not been treated with some sort of stablizer. Stabile or Seafoam are 2 great fuel stabilzers that work very well. The tank only holds about a gallon and a half so adding it to the fuel tank of your vehicle won't hurt anything.

Where are you going to store your new toy? If inside your garage or shed, I'd just use an old sheet or something similar that can breathe. I've seen some weather-proof Ariens snowblower covers at Home Depot that are breathable and designed for outside storage situations. A tarp or sheet of plastic can trap moisture so I would not suggest going that route. I store my snowblower in my garage so I can't comment either way on how the breathable covers perform.

This message was modified Oct 22, 2010 by FrankMA


Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #140   Oct 22, 2010 4:30 pm
FrankMA,

I'm probably going to store it outside, next to my back door, at least for a little while. My garage is crammed FULL with woodworking machinery, and I'd have trouble squeezing another drill-bit in there. I also find that snow is less prone to stick to metal, if the blower is the same temperature as the outside air. I'm probably going to build a storage shed for it, as well as my other OPE, patio stuff, tires, etc. I've been procrastinating too long about that already.

If I don't build the shed this Fall, I'll probably park the snow-thrower on a wood pallet, to keep the machine off the ground slightly, and promote air-circulation, while avoiding water accumulation / puddles, etc. I'll keep looking for a cover. My dealer wants $115. plus tax for one, yet I've seen the Honda covers on eBay for $61.99 and shipping. Problem is, they advertise shipping only in the lower 48 states, and I'm in Quebec. I'll contact them to see if they'll consider shipping here. In the meantime, I'll find something to shelter it from the elements. A generic cover should do for a while.
giocam


Joined: Sep 18, 2010
Points: 74

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #141   Oct 22, 2010 5:07 pm
Go to a krown dealer and buy a can of the stuff and spray the metal down with that before the season, and you can re-coat it during the season as well. Then after the season clean the machine up and krown it again and throw a cover over it, this will keep the rust as bay for sure. My brother's 6 year old Honda literally looks brand new doing this. You could also use rust check which you can buy from crappy tire but krown is supposed to be better.
This message was modified Oct 22, 2010 by giocam
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #142   Oct 22, 2010 5:21 pm
Thanks GIOCAM, there's a Canadian-Tire here in town. I'll look for that spray, and they may also sell covers. I'm sure I also have some tarps somewhere in the house.
giocam


Joined: Sep 18, 2010
Points: 74

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #143   Oct 22, 2010 5:24 pm
Rust check is good but if you can get krown go for that. There are dealers everywhere in Canada so there should be one near you.

http://www.krown.com/#products/aerosol/
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #144   Oct 23, 2010 9:41 am
I think I'm going to assemble a parts and service kit, so it's handy if I ever need it. The previous owner gave me two shear-pins, and I'll get some oil, transmission fluid, and was thinking of getting some lubricant for the cables. The chute-deflector cable is a bit "stiff". The previous owner says "don't lube the cable, because you need a certain amount of resistance when the snow hits the deflector" He said the force of ejection would tend to lift the deflector. Hmmmm.
This message was modified Oct 23, 2010 by drifter
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #145   Oct 23, 2010 9:57 am
drifter wrote:
I think I'm going to assemble a parts and service kit, so it's handy if I ever need it. The previous owner gave me two shear-pins, and I'll get some oil, transmission fluid, and was thinking of getting some lubricant for the cables. The chute-deflector cable is a bit "stiff". The previous owner says "don't lube the cable, because you need a certain amount of resistance when the snow hits the deflector" He said the force of ejection would tend to lift the deflector. Hmmmm.


I bought a bottle of Honda Hydro Fluid when I purchased my HS624 tens years ago and I never opened it because I never needed to top off my resevoir. It took me a little while to figure out that the temperature can alter the level you see in the resevoir cup but once it gets warmed up it's right where it should be. I would recommend that you keep about a dozen shear pins on-hand so you don't have to go back and forth to the dealer. You may not use any in a given year and you may use several but it's good to know you have them if you need them. The EOD can produce some ususal foreign objects that will create this situation. I have one impeller shear pin that I bought but have never had to replace that one.

I don't know if I just got lucky but I never had any issues with mine. It always fired right up and performed as it was designed - very reliable and consistent. I hope my new to me HS928TA is as good to me as my old 624 had been.

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
drifter


Joined: Oct 13, 2010
Points: 115

Re: Snow thrower noob, Need advice please.
Reply #146   Oct 23, 2010 10:49 am
Thanks FrankMA,

Frank, have you got a Honda cover for your machine? Have you ever actually seen one, or inspected one? Knowing Honda, it's probably really well made and durable. I bought a generic cover for my motorcycle, and it fell apart at the seams,,,, literally.
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