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aa335


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Differences between Toro GTS 2450 / 3650?
Original Message   Jan 27, 2010 11:19 am
Does these two models share the same chassis and paddle set?  The Rtek engine is the same, however, the 3650 is rated at higher HP.  Is there a REAL difference in HP?  Apparently this same engine is used in the Toro Snow Commander rated at 7 HP.  What gives?  Why 3 different HP rating for same engine?

On a related topic, how does one go about raising the HP of these 2 stroke engines?  Remove the governor and add throttle control?  How do you do that?
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Underdog


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How snow commander gets 7 hp out of a 5hp engine
Reply #17   Mar 18, 2010 7:47 am
Loblolly77 wrote:
Snow Commanders use a different cylinder and piston than regular R*tek's. The Cylinder has two boost ports flanking the intake port, and the piston has matching windows for those boost ports, that's the main difference and allows a greater air/fuel charge into the combustion chamber = more horsepower.

Like he said
 

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aa335


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Re: Differences between Toro GTS 2450 / 3650?
Reply #18   Mar 18, 2010 12:47 pm
So it does, in theory.  Any real gain in HP?
superbuick


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Re: Differences between Toro GTS 2450 / 3650?
Reply #19   Mar 18, 2010 11:46 pm
Anyone check the part numbers from Toro/Briggs?  I have 2 "7hp" r*teks and 2 "6.5hp" r*teks in my garage at this very moment and I can tell no difference between them in starting/running/rpms/power.  they are all extremely powerful, easy to start, and run at almost identical RPMs.  The carbs all have the same jetting too (though one of the 6.5hp motors has a metal carb - all the rest are plastic carbs)
Underdog


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Re: Differences between Toro GTS 2450 / 3650?
Reply #20   Mar 19, 2010 12:00 am

The 24” wide Toro Snow Commander has a longer 25MM x 4 inch crankshaft.
The same R-TEK block as found in the Toro CCR2450, CCR3650 & Lawnboy Insight Snowblowers. But the crankshaft on those measures only 2 1/4 inches in length.

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Underdog


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Re: Differences between Toro GTS 2450 / 3650?
Reply #21   Mar 19, 2010 11:38 am
 

I think they might really be different pistons.
I’m no parts expert but there seems to be a different parts reference for the piston. 
 

I compared the part numbers from the 2003 Toro Snow Commander (Model 38602) engine in my garage:

Engine family is 2L4X5-1415BA

Toro engine Model # 100 9536

Toro's web site references the R-Tek engines in the Snow Commander as:

084332-0130-E1 (on: 38600, 38601) piston assembly 801281

084333-0199-E1 (on: 38602, 38603) piston assembly 801281

Then I looked up some 3650 blowers from the same era:
084232-0121-E1 (on: 38517, 38537) piston assembly: 801279
084233-0198-E1 (on: 38518, 38538) piston assembly: 801279 
084232-0121-E1 (on: 38440, 38441) pston assembly: 801279
084233-0198-E1 (on: 38445) piston assembly: 801279

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