Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Simplicity now has gone and screwed up a perfectly reliable snowblower.Not only did they add electric chute rotator to the Large frame model; the chute deflector is also electrically controlled.Cant they just keep it simple?When your trying to clear a driveway in 30 degree temps,you dont need the doodads and the doohickeys not working.I guess B&S has a different plan than the original owner.I guess some of us just got our machines in time before they started farting them up.Hooray for the gizmos.........

mikiewest wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily make that sort of generalization. I personally know of a medical doctor who loves gizmo, build his own computer, repair motorcycles and cars. He also has absolutely no interest in snowblowers. He doesn't drive an expensive BMW or Mercedes, except a very old BMW 2002 and Ford Probe GT. He also has excellent bed side manners and down to earth humble personality.

There are people who love gizmo that can repair them, some can't repair them, some just don't have the time to repair them, and some make too much money in one hour to repair them. All types of people love or hate gizmo.

New ideas are labeled as gizmo, given time, they become common place necessity. You are looking at it everyday.

I love some gizmos and I know that I am going to find that the chute rotation gizmo will come in very handy.  I was surprised that it was on the 1428 when I first looked at this years model and at the moment I was a little skeptical. But, it looks to be put together pretty solid like the rest of the machine. I say don't knock it until you (and others) try it. If it gives me grief my dealer, Simplicity and you guys will hear about it; during and after the warranty period.

In the mean time I am going to give it the benefit of the doubt.

I can see that there are a number of people who love to have this gizmo. Some has gone so far as to fabricate their own chute rotation and deflector using cordless drills. Will it fail when it's 30 degrees outside? Probably. When you leave your house, is there a chance that you may be "prematurely expired" in a car crash or a shooting? Probably.

Take a chance. Failures are not that bad. They are often a huge motivator to getting it right. Where's the American pioneering spirit? Have we lost all frontier to discover?

AA I'm shocked that u love gizmos soo much.Honda machines at least the ones sold in NY are gizmo-less....Thats what made them appealing to me.The money u spend on a Honda are for a great engine,hydro tranny etc etc.Not for hand warmers,electric this electric that,left and right power steering.The mechanics I spoke to say that u dont need a left and right trigger control.Its just a sales ploy.thats why I went with the simp pro.One trigger control.Look at the Honda single stage.Clean simple and powerful.Whats that little blue thing on the Toro?Looks like a little mouse that goes up and down on the handle..LOL.Give me 4 cycle or give me death but dont give me that R-Tek engine...And those Toro machines r not cheap but hey if u like all of those doo dads knock urself out.But I'd rather know that $600 spent on a honda is on what really counts... which is to gather snow and expel it well and on quality.As opposed to spending $600 on a Toro single stage.That price is for doo dads and a much cheaper engine.

Gizmos or features are intended as a convenience or to assist the operation. A snowblower is a collection of gizmos. The auger is a gizmo designed as an open helicoil with slow rotation speed to gather snow, not compact it. The impeller is a gizmo with paddles which rotates at a higher rotation speed to expel snow at a great distance. Multiple speed drive is a gizmo that allows us to efficiently match the forward speed to the volume/density of snow. Handle interlock is a gizmo that allows us change chute/deflector direction while the snowblower remains in motion. Lights allows us to see where we going at night, as well as avoid ingesting objects in the snowblower. You get the picture. You can say that the more of these gizmos are present, the greater the probability of failure. Shall we all revert to the ole reliable "metal" shovel to reduce the probability of failure down to two components? The shovel and the shoveler.

mikiewest wrote:
I actually like the left right trigger control. Although a single trigger would suffice, but you are limited to turning one way.

Again, I also like the blue quick chute on the Toro single stage. It's a little pricey for a few plastic parts and a cable assembly. However, I tried it and find it convenient and effective.

I don't have any knowledge of the R-tek 2 cycle engine. Small 2 cycle engines are fairly simple so I don't know how one can screw up making a bad one. Maybe cheap carburetor and fixed unforgiving jets to appease the EPA and CARB. I can't really say if the R-tek engine is cheap. Maybe cheaper than 4 stroke engine. Chassis built quality of the Toro seems equal to the Honda HS520, lesser than the HS621. However, I'd chose a 4 cycle engine over 2 cycle just because I like the lower noise, lower vibration, and better fuel efficiency.

I alluded to the built quality of the HS520 being less than the HS621. However, having used both, the newer HS520 throws snow better than the older HS621, and also handles better too. Lower noise, lower vibrations. The HS520 is better designed to efficiently put the power down to the auger, lighter pulley, more efficient flat belt, and better designed auger. So I can say the cliche "They don't make them like they used to". However, they made them to perform better.

mikiewest wrote:
Not exactly.

The "little mouse" just controls the chute via cable - its about the simplest thing you can imagine - less complex than gears and a knob. I've got both styles (traditional and zip chute) and the zip chute is better, hands down. Gimmicky seeming? Maybe, but when you look at the design and the simplicity, as well as the ability to fix it should it break (though there isn't anything to really break other than a cable - which is pretty unlikely), its far from a cheap gizmo.

And the R*Tek being inferior vs the little honda engine? Uh, not by a longshot. I'll keep the R*Tek for single stage use. More power, simpler, less maintenance, and less weight. Not a knock on Honda (God forbid ;) ), I love their stuff (GX engines, etc.) but some of what you posted about the R*Tek isn't spot on. I have 4 R*Teks (2 duraforces but on mowers and 2 R*Teks on snowblowers) and they're easily the most powerful OPE engines I have within that displacement range (under 250cc).

Otherwise I completely agree with you regarding gizmos - snowblowers (or anything that just needs to work, period) really aren't the place for them. I don't even really care for electric start. Today's engines are extremely easy to start, and the effort involved in getting out the cord and plugging it in is more hassle than pulling the starter handle (though the battery electric start I think is cool - no cord to plug in). The simplicity (pun intended) of the bigger Honda and Ariens 2 stages is exactly why I feel they're worth the cost. You're paying for well made, relatively basic, robust machinery that will work when you need it, every time.

My neighbor has the Toro 221 with quick chute and the R-tek engine. After seeing him use it on heavy snow on several occasions, I have to say it's a pretty gutsy snowblower. It could always use more horsepower for the end of drive pile, arg arg. However, I think it is just as good as the Honda 4 stroke of similiar age. The Toro did make quite a ruckuss of noise though.

My neighbor WORKS for Honda, so naturally all his stuff is Honda. He's got the HS520 and a 928TA. When we first moved in, he allowed me to use his snowblowers because I didnt yet have one and he was usually out plowing when it snowed, so I could do his driveway for him while he was out in return for him allowing me the use of the snowblowers.

Without question the Toro 221 is more powerful and does a better job of removing the snow than the HS520. I've used them back-to-back, both running at the same time, on the same snow. Its not my opinion - the Toro worked better. Its also a lighter weight machine. The toro isn't so much louder as it is higher pitched (2 stroke vs 4 stroke). The honda has a deeper, bassy sound to it.

The 928TA is a fantastic unit, if a bit hard to maneuver. It definitely digs in very well in big, wet, EOD stuff. However, I don't think its 2x as good as a comparably sized Ariens or Toro (it IS 2x the price!)

Thanks superbuick for your unbiased observation of the Toro versus the Honda

You effectively convinced me to buy the Toro 221 and then shoe-horn the Honda GX200 or GX240 engine into the Toro chassis.

I shall call it the Hondoro Super Snow Commander. *wink*

By the way, any reason why you have so many snowblowers at your disposal, and two Lawnboy mowers? Looks like they were stored in a time capsule. I'm jealous. You wouldn't have a Snow Commander in your arsenal, do you?