Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hello,

I have a driveway 40ft X 25ft + 60ft sidewalk, and get quite a lot of snow.

I wanted to get the 24" deluxe (for space) but found it hard to maneuver with both wheels locked, not bad with one wheel unlocked.

I was thinking of moving up to the 27" deluxe (larger than I need) which has the trigger for wheel locking for an extra $130.

My local dealer suggests I upgrade to the 24 DLE  with the automatic traction control, light, handwarmer for $ 464 more than the 24 deluxe.

For a little more I can get a Toro 828 XLE which has the power steering (also larger than I need).

Craftman has a 24" 249cc B+S power steeriing $ 1,000 - same features as the 24" DLE , but not sure about quality.

The locan dealer also suggest Simplicity 9hp 24" ST 2718 ?? for $ 1200. Lighter than the Ariens (not sure if it has traction control.

Can someone please advise which one is best bang for buck.

Snowman, you are the Ariens pro, is the 24 DLE worth that much more than the 24 deluxe or the 27 deluxe? Will Ariens have a sale

In Sept. or October that the Dealers will pass on to customers? I read that some Ariens had problems with the Friction Disk and Baffle plates

has to be installed, and chute control cable freezing. Have these issues been fixed in the 2009 units?

Thanks you all.

gsnow

&lt;BR&gt;<BR> gsnow wrote:
Gsnow,

The Platinum 24 should promo at $1299. Make sure you get it for that. It is still preseason after all. And yes, it's worth the extra $ if you can afford it. The Auto Traction Control is a feature unmatched by any OEM, plus you get the handwarmers and Quick Turn chute. Perhaps check out the remote locking axle on the 27LE as well? It would be best to go to a dealer and test drive each so you know what you're getting.

2009 models have all the latest features to reduce freeze-up and water infiltration. Updated (2009) freeze resistant cap deflector and chute lock cables, water penetration baffles, freeze resistant impellers. Some, but not all of these features were present last year (or part of last year).

The more recent friction disk slippage issues were prevalent on most brands (see the John Deere 1130 threads on this or the other forum, made by Simplicity). This phenomena is reproduceable on nearly every Briggs equipped snowblower of recent vintage. Their PTO covers have alot of embossments and voids that collect the snow and drain water in the belt drives behind the belt covers (Tecumseh's were near flat). Just this year Briggs flattened these embossments on some specs of 205 and 249cc engines. The transition to Briggs happened rather quickly when Tecumseh departed the market. The haste caused some of these issues.

Many of the problems noted on this forum are legacy designs that haven't been in production for many years. New units would not necessarily exhibit similar problems. Deluxe and Pro units now have an industry-best dual aramid belt auger drive that eliminates belt adjustments and slippage and can trasmit 100% continuous full power. Final drive ratios (for superior wheel torque) have been upgraded (the small 4.34 inch friction disk was dumped from even compact units), super-sturdy gearcases, power transfer shafts, and frames ... the list is too lengthy to detail here, but it's all transitioned in the last 5 years. Also keep in mind Ariens sells more 2 stage snowblowers than Honda, John Deere, Toro, Simplicity, and Snapper combined. There will naturally be more units with issues on these forums even if the percentage of problems (versus quantity built) is lower.

Let me know if you have any further questions.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;

Gsnow,

Looks like you're off to an early start looking into snowblowers. At this time of the year, the only blower I'm thinking about is a leaf blower.

As you already know, the Honda is a lot of dough, a reputation well established by fans and haters. "Bang for the buck" and Honda don't go hand in hand, unless you are talking about Civics.

With that disclaimer out of the way, Honda has a 24" model, HS724WA, that fits your concerns about a 28" being large for the garage. The HS724 is fairly compact and lightweight. I venture to say that it should be easy to turn without the differential. You do have to crank the chute though.

As snowman said, the slipping friction disk epidemic of 2008 is an easy fix which should be taken care of for new production in 2009.

i have a 2004 26" DLE, and it is awesome - very easy to maneuver.  some slippage on ice but once i pull the locking trigger i'm fine.

the heated handle grips work so well i just wear suede work gloves in the coldest weather.

Thanks snowman for explaining the problems and updating the fixes.  Hope I do not end up with a lemon if I do decide to choose an Ariens.

Can you please comment on the Toro 828 OXE 2009, (build, powermax, no shear pin in auger etc.)  I like the chute control (although it feels plasticky). Their finger locking control is similar to the 27" deluxe Ariens's trigger.

It is a little larger than what I need, but  so many good reviews from owners and on youtube. I am clearing my garage to see how much space I have before choosing the snowblower.

I am in Richmond Hill , Ontario  the dealer price is Cdn $ 1100 for the 24"deluxe, $ 1230 27" deluxe and $ 1,560 for the 924DLE. The DLE is still $ 130 too much using 1.10 cdn to US $1  correct?

Can you please refer me a dealer that will sell it for Cdn $ 1400 Promo in the Greater Toronto Area or Richmond Hill? 

Oakville - thanks, glad to see you are happy with your 9526 DLE, how do you lock the wheel to prevent slipping? I tried to find it at Home Depot but did not see a pin, or lock?

Are you in Oakville Ontario?

aa335 I checked the price on the Honda, it's twice the price of the Ariens 924DLE. !!!

gsnow

I heard that Honda prices in Canada is outrageous. The good news is electric chute rotation/deflection, on-board battery starter is available in Canada market, and some of that money goes towards Ministry of Health to provide public health care.

The bad news is that none of what I just said is available in USA. :( Not yet.

Seriously, I would only consider a Honda if need hydrostatic transmission/track drive for steep inclined driveway.

gsnow wrote:

my 2003/2004 926DLE/pro  (last year for the 9.25hp tecumseh; the 9526 has a 9.5hp briggs i believe) has a trigger on the left handle to engage the differential lock.  i don't believe they ever sold the DLE/pro model at home depot (at least they didn't when i bought my machine).  i bought mine at my local ope dealer - got a decent deal, would have been cheaper to buy from the US, but this thing is 300lbs.

i am in oakville, ontario - and my ariens ate up all that snow from last winter without complaining.  i did slightly bend a shear pin but that was relatively easy to fix. 

Good post,gsnow.

Im in the same situation you are,undecided on the Ariens 27 Deluxe and the Toro 826 OE.This is my first purchase for one and want to make a educated decision for best value for my dollar.I was wondering if anyone who has the toro has found the joystick control to be flimsy and feeling like its ready to fall off.I do like the idea the Ariens are all steel.Ive looked a HD but would like information if possible on dealers in the GTA.I live on east side of Oshawa.Both Ariens and Toro are highly regarded ,just looking for some input.Thanks,Duster

Snowmann wrote:
I am interested into learning more on this.  I cannot seem to find any information pertaining to this on the ariens website.  I have even looked up the parts radar to see the differences, but couldn't find any.  Can you please provide a link to these parts with images?

Thank You


As for the topic.  I have a 1130DLE  921003.  It throws snow like no tomorrow.  I love the differential, I don't think I would enjoy using the machine without it. 

Pro's.

All metal design including the controls.
Differential
Dual Belt pulley
Hand warmers
Electric start
3 year warranty

Con's

Prone to rust if not carefully looked after.  At least for me in my area (salt used heavily on roads)
Some screws should be bolts which snap off if trying to remove 
Lack of grease in certain area's by my ope dealer setup
Cables do freeze up (not mine since I did little mod, but it doesn't look nice)

Thats all I can think of for now.  I should say that I am really happy with my machine and its going into its third winter this year.   It still looks and works like new.  The con's have all been fixed by myself so they are no more.  But they are noted for reference since it would be a problem if I didn't have the tools or ability to do what I did.  Out of the box there are things that should be done that are not and hopefully Arien's adresses them. Last year I forwarded a long winded e-mail to them with no reply, but I hope they read it and looked into the area's for improvement.  If the cables are indeed freeze proof now that is one big step in the right direction as that was one of the bigger annoyances with their cable setup and many other manufactures as well.  Oh one more thing, the reverse is slow like many machines. Like to see it faster, but for safety reasons I bet I never will..  I am not to worried, when warranty expires this year, I will fix that too ;)

Thank you all for your comments.

Are there any unhappy Toro 828 XLE/OXE out there, or any problems with the unit?

aa335 -

 No I do not have incline, so no need for Trac .

Health services is OK in Canada but hard to find a Doctor especially for female patients, surgery or MRI wait is 6 months, not enough facility for Paliative care,

had to watch a close family member suffer through his final month at his home. Wonder what will happen when all the Baby boomers need hospital.

Some people are paying for their own treatment in the US, cannot do so in Ontario.

Oakville -

 Sounds like you got a good unit and did not have the freezing and friction disc slipping issues where the auger will not turn.

Duster-

It is hard to make a final decision, I tried to do a search for Toro problems or unhappy owner found maybe one with disc friction slipping, all others are happy owners.

Watch the youtubes videos . Snowblower above attests to that he is very happy.

 Looks like the most worry-free midprice unit, but may not be as strong as the Ariens in parts, duild and components but if they don not break it does not matter.

The LE in both Toro and Ariens (no remote wheel lock control) are hard to turn on dry pavement, if you are strong that's OK. I tried both in the stores.

goofienewfie- 

Unfortunately, I am not that handy and not a tool person,  I own a battery operated lawnmower, guess now I have to learn.

Too bad you had to do all that work to fix the problems. No response to email Eh! That's not what I read about Ariens' customer service.

You should have snowman give you the parts for the fix, if still under warranty it should be fixed for you. New cable, baffle etc.

Snowman-

Please get back to us re. dealer in Richmond Hill and also Toro's build and components (their problems if you are aware).

gsnow wrote: I totally forgot about the lack of a shearpin - what a great feature (or non feature). I'm not sure if its patented by Toro, but I would strongly argue that if you work for a shearpin manufacturer, you better start looking for another job.