Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Well, today I ordered a Simplicity 8650E with optional light.  Dealer may be able to deliver tomorrow.  Initally I was going to get an Ariens 7524E but wanted a light.  The 926LE just seemed two large.  The Simplicty 8560E unit offered a more powerful and some other features in the same size package as the Ariens 7524.  I was turned onto the Simplicty after see a Snapper unit that was almost identical.  Got two Simplicity dealers within 10 miles.  I bought it from a small Father, son & daughter outfit.  They seemed knowledgeble helpful and polite.  While the Snapper dealer is two miles from home,  I kind of figured that Snapper is mostly know for the lawn care products rather than Snow Removal and they are based in Georgia.  I have read good things about the Simplicity products on this site and I am excited about recieving the 8560E.  Thanks again for all your assistance.  I will let you know how the unit works whenever we get some snow.

Exton, PA.  About 30 miles west of Philadelphia.

Don't know exactly how much snow we get.  It seemed to snow more since I got rid of my old Ariens two years ago and had to shovel.  We just had 8 inches last week and I did not have a blower.

Steveo,

I'm in Dover, De.

We get small snows, then 2 to 3 feet.

That is why I have a blower.

As a side note, your blower might reall be an 11 Hp engine.

I have a Husky 927, 9 HP 27 in's wide as per Husqvarna..

However the Spec on the engine says it is 11.5 HP.

I called Tecumseh, and they confirmed it!!

A lot of the big blower makers order the bigger engine that will fit most of there blowers.

Then "Down rate them".

Put an 11 HP on the blower and call it an 8.5 HP.

There was a big thread on this forum last year about it , but I could not find it.

Someone will however!!

                                                               Fred

Jubol,

I did read that thread.  I attempted to research the B&S 8.5 HP Intek Snow engine on the B&S website.  I could not find such an engine.  I did find 7.5 HP, 9HP and up but not the 8.5HP.  I sent an email to Simplicity's site asking for the exact B&S engine model number, whether it is a Dual Bore Cast Sleeve or an Aluminum Alloy bore.  I have not yet recieved a respose.  I will keep you posted.  I found the following info under B&S' replacement engines.  Notice there is not an 8.5HP Intek Snow listed in the replacement section.  I did find  8HP Intek Pro which has the same specs as the 9, 10, & 11HP Intek Snow engines.  I am not a mechanic but it would see as if the 9 thru 11 hp's are the same engine.  Could it be that each engine is fitted with a different carb that regulates the HP output?  It will be interesting to find the actual specs on the 8.5HP Intek Snow.

7.5 HP - Series 12D300
INTEK™ SNOW
Displacement 12.57 cu. in. (206 cc)
Bore 2.69 in. (68.3 mm)
Stroke 2.2 in. (55.8 mm)
Oil Capacity 20 fl. oz. (0.60 l)

8 HP - Series 203400
INTEK™ PRO®
Displacement 18.6 cu. in. (305 cc)
Bore 3.12 in. (79 mm)
Stroke 2.43 in. (61 mm)
Oil Capacity 28 fl. oz. (0.82 l)

8 HP - Series 202400
INTEK™ I/C®
Displacement 18.6 cu. in. (305 cc)
Bore 3.12 in. (79 mm)
Stroke 2.43 in. (61 mm)
Oil Capacity 28 fl. oz. (0.82 l)

9 HP - Series 20A400
INTEK™ SNOW
Displacement 18.6 cu. in. (305 cc)
Bore 3.12 in. (79.0 mm)
Stroke 2.43 in. (61.0 mm)
Oil Capacity 28 fl. oz. (0.82 l)

10 HP - Series 20D400
INTEK™ SNOW
Displacement 18.6 cu. in. (305 cc)
Bore 3.12 in. (79 mm)
Stroke 2.43 in. (61 mm)
Oil Capacity 28 fl. oz. (0.82 l)

11 HP - Series 20F400
INTEK™ SNOW
Displacement 18.6 cu. in. (305 cc)
Bore 3.12 in. (79 mm)
Stroke 2.43 in. (61 mm)
Oil Capacity 28 fl. oz. (0.82 l)

Steve,

When you get your blower, check and see what the Spec series is.

You might even go to the dealer and read on the engine what the series is.

Then you will know what engine HP you really have!!

                                                                       Fred

Stevo226,

The newer 8hp/8.5hp Brigg snow engines are 249cc (Model 15, as in 15 cubic inches). This engine is a derivative of their model 12 (206cc). It is a new engine this year so the literature may not have caught up with it yet.

PK

Snowman,

Thanks for the info.  Is this a true 8.5hp engine?  Do you know if is a Dual Bore Cast Sleeve or an Aluminim Alloy Bore?

Stevo226,

While only Briggs can be sure, the engine likely meets the SAE standard for horsepower. Not meeting the SAE standard for their rated horsepower would not be a good idea for obvious reasons.

Also, this engine may not have equivalent  torque of competitive 8hp engines due to low relative displacement and rotating mass (smaller piston bore, crankshaft etc), but as long as a unit has "enough" power, more doesn't help much (hence the freakish V-8 snowblowers on the internet that only throw 40-50 feet with 400+ hp).

I've seen the Simplicity 8560E. The unit is likely amply powered for it's intended capacity and performance.

I believe the Intek version has a cast iron bore and the Powerbuilt version has an aluminum bore. The cast iron bore is not of high value on a snow engine. They're not run enough hours in their life to deteriorate an aluminum bore and the airborne contaminants in the intake charge (that typcially score cylinder walls) are not present in the winter (hence no air filters on snow engines). 

PK

Dealer delivered my 8560E Simplicity this morning.  The technician/mechanic, took the time to show me all the features, briefed me on machine maintenance, discussed safety and showed me how to operate the blower.  The blower looks great and I am looking forward to using it whever we get snow again.  Thanks to all how assisted me with questions and research.

Stevo,

When you get a big dump of snow, and your next door friends are out shoveling for 2 to 4 hours.

You mosey out, do all of yours in about 20 to 30 minutes, you will blow their minds!!

You will start to look forward to big snow storms, with a blower it's FUN!!!!!!

                                                                Fred