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Toro 828LXE

Location: Near Albany, NY
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
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Shady Grass
Original Message   May 24, 2005 6:34 pm
I'm looking for the best & toughest grass for use in a no sun zone of my yard. The area gets a lot of traffic, so it has to be a durable grass.

I appreciate all types that meet my needs, but also if a particular brand is better than the competition.

Before coming back to Abby's recently I posted this request for the best grass to grow throughout the web. Needless to say most respondents advised using the kind of grass you smoke, not mow.

It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!
--Friedrich Nietzsche
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Marshall


As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools. ;- )

Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 7730

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #3   May 24, 2005 8:24 pm
Good advise.

I do this most every year is some parts of my yard, very shady parts that get 115lb and 90lb Lab dog use. The fescue I have tried works good for looks but for heavy traffic it's not worth a damn. I switched to Perennial rye grass, it's tougher which meets my need better. Rob's right on the money about PH, a soil test is best. It could need lime, or a number of things. Might be just right?

  • I rake the soil, break it up, where it's bare.
  • Through down a mix of Peat/Manurer/Top soil.
  • Seed it.
  • Put down more of the mixture to cover it. Not much.
  • Water
  • Fertilize with a "new grass mixture". Very little hydrogen, a lot of potash and phosphate.
  • Water
  • Water
  • Water
  • Water
  • Water
  • Etc.

You might want to use a blend too. There's different blends out there for Shady Wet or Shady Dry and variations therof. I found that the ones with a high content of the Perennial rye were tougher.
Dave___in___CT


Deliberate often...
...decide once...


Location: West-Central Connecticut
Joined: Sep 17, 2002
Points: 3159

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #4   May 24, 2005 8:48 pm
Hi...

I have a similar grass situation too...

Fell for an ad on Zoisa Grass... sounds good...  "Buyer beware..." 

Bought and and planted "1,200 plugs"  ((yeah !   right !))  of it in a ~~12x40' area... thought it would (advertised to) plant twice this  area...

No results yet...  just 2-3 weeks planted... ordered more...    S U C K E R  ? ? ?  

Looks like "the hair club for men"... a hair transplant...

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If U get it... buy the expensive $25 drill bit for planting...

Mr. Nieve...    Dave___in___CT           

Whether you think you can or you can't... you're right.
Henry Ford

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Marshall


As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools. ;- )

Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 7730

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #5   May 24, 2005 9:04 pm
Dave, the Zoisa is good in sun. However, in northern areas it takes a while for it to turn green and in the fall it's amoung the first to brown. It's good for an area with long warm periods and sun. It's a tough grass when conditions are right. Give it time, keep it watered and fertilized.
mikefla1


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Location: Lakeland Fl
Joined: Jun 20, 2004
Points: 377

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #6   May 24, 2005 9:23 pm
Bahia works real good in the sun and shade down here in Fl.  Also St. Augustine does ok in the shade.

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robmints


Joined: May 13, 2003
Points: 4691

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #7   May 24, 2005 9:34 pm
It will spread Dave. They have rhizomes that will spread once the heat hits the plant. They will take over, weather you like it or not.
SnowRemover


Toro 828LXE

Location: Near Albany, NY
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
Points: 139

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #8   May 24, 2005 9:52 pm
robmints wrote:
How big an area? What is making the shade? If it is a tree, what kind? Did you do a soil test?

Nothing is making the shade - yet. We're building a pool and a pool house. The pool house, according to my calculations, will create a 32 ft x 8 ft shady area. During sunrise, a bunch of trees shade the area, and the pool house will have an 8 ft overhang, shading the area from the sun at mid-day. Then the building itself will block the area during the evening.

The idea some had about later (Labor Day) I will probably take to heart, since the pool and building won't be complete until mid-July. I can live 45 days without planting grass.

We believe the kids/neighbors/family will lounge around this area during the hottest summer days and feel the area will be heavily used.

So do most here believe a mix is better than a specific type?

Thanks for the replies.

It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Marshall


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Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 7730

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #9   May 24, 2005 10:40 pm
SR, I don't have a good enough handle, being in Oklahoma, on the local weather, rainfall, temps, etc. to recommend an exact blend or whatever. Maybe others know that area better than I do and can give you better advise. I would Google search the web for information on the best shade blends for your temp/weather zone. You might even find it on a site like Scotts.

Here's something I found for you, it's for Suffolk County from Cornell Coop Extension. Looks like pretty darn good info. The key is soil analysis. You might contact Cornell Cooperative Extension - Suffolk County for information on having your soil tested, if you're in that area?
Marshall


As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools. ;- )

Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 7730

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #10   May 24, 2005 10:50 pm
SR, contact these folks.




http://www.albanycounty.com/departments/cornellcoop/programs/home.htm

Same thing, your county. 
SnowRemover


Toro 828LXE

Location: Near Albany, NY
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
Points: 139

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #11   May 25, 2005 11:52 am
Marshall,

That is a great link. I just called and for $2 they will test the soil, give me the results and recommendations.

Thanks again!

--SR

It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Marshall


As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools. ;- )

Joined: Sep 16, 2002
Points: 7730

Re: Shady Grass
Reply #12   May 25, 2005 12:10 pm
You bet, can't beat the price! Hope it goes well. Let us now what you end up with.
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