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/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl General >> Vacuum Cleaner Forum >> What happened to the Hoover Z? /cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1151418680 Message started by SIRHC on 06/27/06 at 10:31am |
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Title: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by SIRHC on 06/27/06 at 10:31am Noticed its no longer on display at my local Best Buy. Has the vacuum cleaner been discontinued? |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by SIRHC on 06/27/06 at 10:33am And it's no longer on Sears website. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/27/06 at 1:40pm SIRHC wrote:
No. HOOVER sells through its own nationwide network of factory stores and authorized dealers in addition to the big box retailers. The HOOVER Z models are available through their stores and authorized dealers nationwide. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by SIRHC on 06/27/06 at 4:57pm Something must have happened. Only one is available on Amazon.com |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/27/06 at 7:45pm Truth is the Z is another failure from Hoover. The indepent stores pulled them leaving no choice but to sell through Hoover stores. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/27/06 at 7:53pm HARDSELL wrote:
I prefer to think that the big box retailers wanted to make shelf space for the new HOOVER WindTunnel 2. This product is a proven sales success for years and a top rated performer by Consumer Reports, a pub that many buyers of vacuums in the $200+ range follow very closely for purchases. Even Wal*Mart stores which typically does not carry and sell the HOOVER WT due to the price added the new HOOVER WT 2 to its vacuum venue. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 06/27/06 at 8:23pm I was in Sears over the weekend to play with the new Kenmore canister (AMAZING) and to see the new Hoover V2 WindTunnel and when I went to show my boyfriend the Z it wasn't there! The saleslady said that they had only sold one and it came back the next day. She said they dropped them (not literally). Even said that they sent the floor model back to Hoover! Hmmmmm..... |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/27/06 at 8:39pm The new HOOVER is the WindTunnel 2, not V2 as I incorrectly posted prior to its US launch. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 06/28/06 at 8:35am You are right... I didn't mean V2. Of course this thread is about the demise of the Z, I hope that we don't convert the topic. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/28/06 at 8:48am Demise? Not really. The HOOVER Z is very much alive and still for sale, just not at the big box retailers who want product that will sell and sell quickly. The HOOVER Z is an esoteric vacuum and not for the big box retailers. I love mine. The HOOVER Centennial will be heralded in with the HOOVER Z or an updated version of the same (and I expect several other new vacuum and floorcare products specially for the momentous occasion). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by dualcyclone on 06/28/06 at 4:01pm The reason for the failure of the Hoover Z is simple. It's a monstrosity of a vacuum cleaner. There's a reason no one bought a Hoover Z. The reason is that the Z was displayed, alongside other vacuums that were much lighter, lower, and less expensive. It was designed to compete (price wise) with Dyson, but has (and is) nothing new to offer. Just a clogging old filter and a heavy, ineffecient vacuum. The suction through the hose was NOT what one expects out of a $400 vacuum. Carmin always talks about Dyson's "$50 Panasonic Motor", yet the Dyson has tons more suction (and constant airflow) that the Hoover Z never had. They could always use the Hoover Z as anchors for cruise ships. Or drop them on Osama's caves. I bet they'd do more damage than the bombs we now drop. The Hoover Windtunnel 2 is almost as bad as the Z. I bought one at Wally World last Thursday, on my day off, for $294. and took it back after one hour. The filter clogs with dust (it's NOT "self cleaning" by any stretch of the imagination), the machine is a monstrosity to pick up and use, and it's not ever very powerful with the hose. The turbo brush stops turning within minutes of being used. The Fusion debacle (horrible machine, loses suction), the Z and Wintunnel 2 monstrosities, as well as Hoover's general lack of innovation today, are all NAILS IN HOOVER'S COFFIN. I will be very surprised indeed if Hoover even makes it to their 100th anniversary. With junk like they now make, they'll have no customers within a year or so, except for the real low end, China-built Hoovers from Wally World (for which there's not much profit to the company). It's a shame really that such a great company would sink to this low of a level, on par with the Regina Housekeeper. What a shame. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by old-timer on 06/28/06 at 4:29pm Hi Dual what do know about kirby's. Can you give us your expert opinion on them. thanks. O.T. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/28/06 at 7:13pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
You also incorrectly posted that the Z would cause the demise of Dyson. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by tiger21 on 06/28/06 at 8:50pm Hoover Z is alive and well. They just aren't exclusive to one company. They are available through the indepent vac shops as well as Lowes and some other big businesses. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/28/06 at 9:07pm tiger21 wrote:
Dyson is very much alive also. Most big box stores booted the out so no choice but to let the independents nurse them. Maybe not dead but on the death bed. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by justasking2 on 06/28/06 at 9:08pm Alive maybe but WELL? Looks to be on life support. Tiger I am surprised you would support this machine as doing well. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by VacOMatic on 06/28/06 at 11:51pm I remember some time ago posters commenting on how well some of the lower cost Hoovers cleaned rugs, et all, and were good values for the bucks. The inexpensive Hoover Elite, though saddled with yet another pleated filter design, is in some ways more pleasant to use than the heavier, more deliberate moving Z. And how are those Z filters holding up? At what level does the air flow eventually stabilize at once the dirt level in the filter remains constant (I have seen many a Z with badly discolored filters, suggesting some dirt remains embedded in them despite the self cleaning technology). |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Bruce on 06/29/06 at 5:36am FAILURE sums the Z up in one simple word! And it's hoover's most expensive FAILURE at that! |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/29/06 at 6:40am Success and/or failure in the vacuum industry are not measured solely on unit sales and/or market share. Product performance, reliability, customer satisfaction and product longevity factor into the equation for success. If sales alone defined a vacuum's success (as you suggest), the Regina Electrik Broom (the most units of any vacuum product ever made and sold in the US) would be the most successful vacuum product ever made and marketed. Unfortunately despite spectacular sales, their performance was terrible, their reliability was terrible, their customer satisfaction after usage was less than mediocre and the product eventually died an ignominious death. Very much like the Fantom vacuums. Where are they now? Long gone and since forgotten. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by SleepDoc on 06/29/06 at 3:58pm I think the answer is negative, but can the Hoover Z filter cleaner be used when the suction motor isn't running? I would think that would be more effective than trying to dislodge dust that would just immediately be re-embedded. Or, is air drawn to the filter at just one arc that is separate from the filter cleaner? Patrick |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/29/06 at 7:12pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Thanks for explaining why the Z failed. Poor performance like so many other recent Hoovers. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by vacuuman on 06/29/06 at 8:29pm It also sounds like many of the few Zs sold were returned too. I immediately knew it was a fairlure the first time I saw/tried it out. Unfortunately for Hoover, most new things they have come out with since the Windtunnel and Steamvac V2 have been full of design issues and/or miserable failures. I hate to put it that way, but thats how it seems to be going. :( |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/29/06 at 8:32pm I have the HOOVER Z 400. I've used it for several months now while I paint and renovate my house for resale. It works superbly. I'm gifting it to my daughter in August after we move to our new home in Vegas. She loves it. I'm upgrading to the deluxe Z 700. THe HOOVER Z 700 offers (over the Z 400): Pet hair cleaning tool 16 inch cleaning wand 14 inch floor brush Lifetime LED lights Gentle brush setting 35 foot power cord When nothing but the best will do, the HOOVER Z is for you. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/29/06 at 9:58pm Your house will be filthy as a zoo If the Z is the choice for you |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by myhooverco on 06/30/06 at 12:21am No matter what the Hoover cleaner still gets the rugs CLEAN...isn't that the whole reason one vacuums in the first place? The Hoover Company has more choices on the ways to get the dirt. Their product line appeals to more people and all models will get your rug CLEAN the Hoover way!!!! From the "Z" on down, the Hoovers just clean and clean and clean. Yes, I look for a glorious celebration on August 8,2008 as we here in North Canton recognize an industry leader's centennial. After all, we do Hoover our rugs! --Tom Home of the Hoover Company...greatest American company ever! Spring or Fall the HOOVER gets it all! It still beats as it sweeps as it cleans. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 06/30/06 at 9:50pm myhooverco wrote:
So, why does it matter how other brands clean so long as they clean. BTW, do you recommend the use a Hoover to clean those pleated filters. If so how often should the filter be replaced in the extra vacuum. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/01/06 at 3:48am HS: Filter change frequency is the same for all vacuums. Replacement depends on usage and dirt build up. Same as with dyson vacuums. That's the reason there are both genuine dyson and bojack dyson filters available for purchase. Isn't this explained in the dyson dealer non-disclosure agreement? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 07/01/06 at 8:30am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Still doing the twist I see. No pleated filters or screens to clog in a Dyson. The foam filters are easily cleaned 2 or 3 times annually, not 2 or 3 times with each use as is required with Hoover. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by old-timer on 07/01/06 at 8:36am [quote author=HARDSELL Still doing the twist I see. No pleated filters or screens to clog in a Dyson. The foam filters are easily cleaned 2 or 3 times annually, not 2 or 3 times with each use as is required with Hoover. I'm a victim of circumstance.. YNUK, YNUK, YNUK, MOE ,LARRY, THE CHEESE......... O.T. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 07/01/06 at 9:19pm Hi OT. K & N should get in the Hoover filter business. Might even increase Hoover's performance. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by old-timer on 07/02/06 at 10:45am Hi H.S. You know i could not resist answering this last post by you, If K.N. filters ever got into the pleated filter market for vacuums, it would almost double the price of the vacuums. As you well know if you want performance wheather out of a vacuum, or high performance car, boat, or garden tractor, price is not an issue. of course Hoover has not ever try to set any land speed record with a windtunnel. regards, O.T. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by VacOMatic on 07/02/06 at 11:59am Although off topic, a couple points about K&N filters; K&N is known for low air resistance/high air flow, not maximum filtration. A lot of fine dirt gets past their cotton weave and into the car engine, requiring frequent oil changes. Also, K&N filters use __oil__ as the dust attractant and holder in the cotten weave. They are an absolute mess to clean. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by HARDSELL on 07/02/06 at 12:16pm VacOMatic wrote:
You are correct. Incresased performance with a risk of engine failure. Do you realize how difficult it is to clean a pleated Hoover filter. Why should one be expected to clean a Hoover filter but replace a pleated filter on an auto engine? |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by old-timer on 07/02/06 at 12:34pm O.K. Guy's we know where this road is leading to, lets not get going on it again, pleated hepa filters and flat cellulose activated charcoal filters can co exist. Although a ill fitting filter is not good for a vacuum motor or internal combustion 706 cu.in. 4 stage nitrous assisted, fulton out law motor.............. O.T. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by myhooverco on 07/02/06 at 9:08pm Hardsell...I do not recommend ANY bagless cleaner. Personally, I just do not like them. It is just a personal preference. However, the agitator in the Hoover is always a good choice to get your rug clean. You can clean the nasty stinking pleated filter as much as you want. In fact use whatever bojack cleaner you want to clean the filter. I would recommend a bagged vacuum so that there is less maintenance for the average user. --Tom Hoover Country, USA |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by MussinUK on 07/10/06 at 3:19pm Hey Tom/All Its as Miele Say........ Bags ARE Best I also would never touch a bagless of any make with a very long pole!!!!! Seamus |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/11/06 at 8:17am Auf Deutsch: Immer Besser. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by VacOMatic on 07/12/06 at 12:56am Well, one question wrt the Z; How long is this self cleaning filter supposed to last? Are there any published statements regarding the number of hours of use for which it will not begin to crack and leak? And is this filter the same design as used in the other Self Cleaning Hoover filter models? |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/12/06 at 8:23am VacOMatic wrote:
Same design but different filters. The HOOVER WT 2 has a larger filter of the same design as the HOOVER Z. Observation and use of both models probably explains the reason. And some other factors may contribute. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by guess_who on 03/04/07 at 6:27am Hi all, Point of mention for collectors, I just noticed that the Hoover Z has been reduced to $99.00 on the Home Depot website. This is "while supply lasts" pricing. Regards, Venson |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/04/07 at 7:19am guess_who wrote:
With a 2 year unconditional product warranty from HOOVER and a 2 year free product replacement from Good Housekeeping. Yes, that's right. The HOOVER Z has the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. (In fact all HOOVER vacuums and floorcare products carry the GH seal.) Such a deal.........If you can get the H-700 vice the H-400, even better. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by VacOMatic on 03/06/07 at 11:38pm Yup, just like Venson said... Interesting how various retailers pick up a new model and then close it out after a short time. |
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Title: Re: What happened to the Hoover Z? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/07/07 at 8:27am VacOMatic wrote:
Remember BEST BUY stores and the Eureka uprights and canisters. Sold for 25 percent of MSRP when discontinued. Only to be reintro'ed again a year later at MSRP. Of course the October 2006 Consumer Reports' vacuum ratings had something to do with it. Carmine D. |
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