Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/25/07 at 7:54am:

Carmine,
 
Interesting conversation with you.  Gets one thinking.  I like to think as long as its fairly intelligent.
 
Dyson:
Dyson is indeed a designer, inventor, entrepreneur, motivator, philanthropist, etc.  He does not like the title inventor, he equates this to crackpot types and so chooses otherwise.  Inventors get utility patents, designers get design patents (typically).  In my opinion Dyson should stand proud of his inventions that come from him or his people and call himself an inventor/designer/etc., in that order.
 
Oreck vs. Dyson:
David Oreck has my respect and so on.  I did not mention this in my previous post, it was getting late, my post was getting long and so I did not post more praise on Oreck.  That said Oreck has no substantial patents or technologies that would prevent Dyson from moving into his space – the lightweight, low profile type upright cleaner space (commercial or residential).  Service is something entirely different, 600 stores is incredible.  But, for example Dysons digital motors (yet to be introduced into the US) are small, lightweight, superfast - can spin up to 110,000rpm and can talk – talk to other computers to self diagnose, runtime, etc.  And perhaps much more.  Perhaps in hotels the digital motor can have Bluetooth and talk with a home base with many interesting possibilities, notifying when a room is has been cleaned in real time for example. If this can aid in any way, that can be enticing for hotel management. - And ultimately more profits.  Whats to prevent Dyson from putting a paper or shakeout bag onto a upright with this motor? – Nothing.  Can Oreck turn to his patent lawyers and say get-em boys.  Get Dyson he’s infringing on my patents!  No he cannot.  Technologically speaking Oreck and others cannot stop Dyson for doing what he wants with his motor and slapping onto Murry Spanglers 100 year old upright basic design.  What’s to prevent Dyson from licensing his motor to Orecks competitors (existing or new)? – Nothing!  Oreck or others just flat out do not have any substantial patents or technoligies that are of any real threat for Dyson - IMHO.
 
Dyson:
Time has already told us if Dyson will leave a blazing trail -  the numbers!  Numbers, not opinions are what count.  Money earned, employees hired, market share owned, market share taken away from his competitors, innovations that are patentable and then profitable, projections based on past performance, awards, buzz, creating free and cutting edge think tank type schools – schools that Airbus, Williams-Mercedes F1, Rolls Royce jet engines and others want to be a part of, to contribute to, spending $20 million of his own money and time, that’s matched by the English government, challenging the status quo – telling all who will listen, the English government or anyone that inventors and engineers are relevant and why should we sit back and allow China and India do or poise themselves and take away what we once did well – invent, engineer, manufacturer, etc.  He’s warning us!
 
Time has and will continue to tell the Dyson story.  As far as his entry to the US.  The DC07 was his first go at vacuuming American carpets and so only 5 years later he is Blazzin big time.  Love Dysons, hate Dysons, jealous of Dysons or somewhere in between, Dyson is growing at incredible speeds, here and in many other countries.  When Toyota launched their first car in the US did it grow or take market share from established manufactures as is Dyson?  No, No way!  Dyson’s has and is doing just this.
 
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Quote from No Loss of Suction on 03/27/07 at 2:58am:

 
Would you share the dyson numbers with the Forum?  Year to year sales and market share (dollars and/or units) of vacuums sold?  The last published authoritative dyson number for percentage of market share for vacuums indicated that dyson was losing ground in the UK.  From 43 to 36 percent in 2005, a 7 percent fall off in sales.  And more market share was lost last year in 2006 (from the "buzz").  
 
While we all hear, read and see the glowing dyson reports about the dyson sales success worldwide, these reports are never substantiated with verifiable numbers.  In one very rare case that dyson provided numbers, for the contra rotating washer (a dyson invention) in the UK, the sales number reported by dyson for 2004 (when he pulled it off the market) was higher than the industry reported number: 4000 (dyson) vice 1900 (UK appliance industry).  When given the opportunity to explain the difference in the sales numbers, dyson (James too) was conspicuously silent.
 
There is one descriptor you fogot to mention in dyson's repertoire: Cheerleader.  He is a very good one (especially for himself).
 
"Trust but verify."
 
Carmine D.
 

Quote from JimB on 03/27/07 at 8:30am:

 
Hello Jim B:
 
After all this time on and away from the Forum, I would have thought you knew by now and didn't have to ask.  I report the truth about vacuums without passion and prejudice.  I'm neither a dyson lover nor a dyson hater.  I am an industry professional seeking the truth about all things related to vacuums.  I've learned over the years that the truth concerning vacuums oftentimes is not as simple as some would like to make believe.  
 
Carmine D.

Quote from No Loss of Suction on 03/28/07 at 2:57pm:

 
For the record, cloth bags were the norm from 1905 to late 40's and early 1950's when paper disposable and even paper reusables were intro'ed.  And cloth and paper bags coexisted for decades after.  In fact some specialty vacuums like the Metro vacuum line still use cloth bags with paper optionals.  The vacuum industry is slow to change and went through the first real bagless fad in the USA with the Fantom in the 80's which fizzled out.   And now again with dyson bagless and a myriad of other bagless makes.    
 
While I see a definite application for some bagless uses in stick and hand vacuums and wet dry use, I don't see the paper bags going away.  Especially in light of the allergen and filtrette varieties now widely available for vacuums.
 
Carmine D.

Hi,with the canister market coming back again,as predicted about 2 years ago,due to consumers floor plans changing,hardwood,tile,marble,area rugs of low pile but high quality,orientals, it seems like many die in the wool upright manufactures are coming [late to the game as one poster puts it],into the canister,tank, power team market. These guy's are going to really get a dose of reality when playing in this ballpark.  
 
I'm using this for an example,any one remember when electrolux told people that uprights are only good for open area carpet cleaning,the rest of the manufactures laughed and said ya,ok.  
 
my my my how the worm has turned...
 
B.T.W.carmine and rat told you so.......
 
I wish dyson luck [he'll need it when playing with the big kids'
 
  O.T.