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Central Vac vs. Sebo X4 Automatic on carpet
12/29/06 at 12:46pm
 
I usually vacuum my wall-to-wall carpet, a lower plush type, with my central vac and power head.  The central Vac is an imperium true cyclone vented to the out side.  My power head is a Lindhaus.  My home is almost two years old and every time I empty the central vac, it is full of carpet fluff and cat hair.  Yes, we do have a cat!  When vacuuming with the Lindhaus, I always have to have my back-stroke pulling the nap of the carpet up.  If I try to "push" the nap up with my forward stroke, the power head skips along and does not effectively groom the carpet into the up position.  To get around this, I always make sure I have the back stroke pulling it up.  Over almost two years, we are starting to see some wear patterns in the carpet.
 
Today, I changed the bag on my Sebo X4 to ready it for a friend to borrow while I tune up her crummy Eureka, and fish a stuck sock out of it.  After I changed the bag, I decided to give it a run on my wall-to-wall here.  It grooms the carpet well no matter which direction it is pushed or pulled across the carpet.  Also after I vacuumed the family room, approx. 500 sq. ft. I opened it up and looked in the bag.  There was a lot, I would guess maybe 1 cup total, of carpet fluff.
 
So, my question.  Does the Sebo do that much better a job than the Lindhaus on the central vac?  Ever since we lived here I have used the central vac, it has very, very strong suction and I like the idea of all the allergens going outside.  My alergies have not been as bad since we lived in this new house.  However, I don't want to be using a vac that is going to shorten the life of my carpet, or, just not do a good job.  Any advise?  
 
I remember back to my mom's Dial-a-Matic and Concept Two with those metal/plastic beater bars on the agitator.  Neither the Sebo or the Lindhaus have those.  Are they agressive enough for our carpet?  Please let me know your thoughts and what you would do given my equipment and situation.  Is there a better power head for the CV?  Please help!
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Reply #1 - 12/29/06 at 2:34pm
 
You might want to have your Lindhaus powerhead checked out.  I do remember their brush rolls are more thoroughly "tufted" , and their brush roller revolves at a higher speed than most other brushes.  But I have never seen one "skipping" over carpet.
 
The Sebo power heads I have used over the years, including the new Felix, are relatively gentle to rugs.  They have never caused any damage to my rugs, but on other hand don't "raise the nap" quite as thoroughly.
 
I doubt the Sebo suction will equal that of your central vac.  The Sebo motor is small and of a single fan design.  
 
Wessel-Werk (WW), maker of Miele and Bosch and Oreck powerheads, can be found in some CV powerbrush packages offered by various dealers.  Also, the Cen-tec powerhead, used on many Kennmore cannisters, is also available as a CV powerhead.  Both of these clean well and, as far as I know, have no skipping or odd behavour issues.  The WW powerheads on my Miele and Bosch definitely raise carpet nap more nicely than the Sebos' does, but their shorter bristles tend to be noiser and a little more aggressive - neither of those heads are recommended for Berber or other delicate carpet.
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Reply #2 - 12/29/06 at 2:40pm
 
Does the x4 have auto height adjustment,or manual adjustment like the stealth / lindhaus power head?
 
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Reply #3 - 12/29/06 at 3:07pm
 
The Sebo X4 has auto height adjustment.  To clarify when I say it "skips" across the carpet, what I mean is that it is difficult to push against the nap and rather than riase the nap when pushing forward, it pushes awkwardly or roughly against the nap on the forward stroke.  What should I check on the Lindhaus if something is wrong?
 
I am going to be getting my grandma's sears progressive canister, maybe five years old, I will have to see if the powerhead will fit onto my hose or if I can modify it to do so, and see if it works any better.
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Reply #4 - 12/29/06 at 6:48pm
 
As an experiment, you might try vacuuming with the CV/Lindhaus, but only (if possible) with the powerhead brush motor running.  That way, suction is not a factor, and you can see if the brush still "skips" against the carpet.
 
Does the Lindhaus make any unusual sounds when pushed?  I believe those powerheads have cogged belts and shouldn't suffer from belt slip.
 
Yes, the X4 has auto heigth adjustment via a servo motor adjusting the centermost wheel.
 
The WW brushes I mentioned earlier are Manual adjust  (though for some reason, Bosch left manual adjustment off their version.).
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Reply #5 - 12/29/06 at 7:30pm
 
Hi,
 
   I have a central vac and actually found that it does a BETTER job on the wall to wall than my Sebo X4.  I use a Centec powerhead....resembles the "Whisperbelt" nozzle used on Kenmore Progressives.  It does a great job.  Although I think my Miele's 236 nozzle does a bit better.  The Sebo is a well-built machine, but for the money, I'm really not all that impressed with it.  I also had a Dyson DC 07 that just didn't groom the carpeting well at all.  I know this was due to the brush roll, but for $400 you expect more out of a machine.  However, last night, I decided to give the new DC 17 model a try and am VERY impressed with its performance on my wall to wall carpeting.  I wouldn't use it on my gentle rugs, but on wall to wall, this thing is INCREDIBLE!  
   I would try and see if your Grandma's powerhead will work on your central vac.  It should fit and if not, I think you would just need to order different wands.
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Reply #6 - 12/30/06 at 7:44am
 
There is a distinction between cleaning and grooming rugs (as the last poster states).  Most vacuums will do the first (more or less) fewer do the latter and even fewer do it well.  Cleaning is getting the surface and embedded dirt out of the rug.  Grooming is lifting and separating the rug fibers and restoring the rug's original resilience.  The better a vacuum grooms, the easier the dirt, especially deep down embedded dirt, is removed.  Why?  If your vacuum loosens and lifts the matted down rug fibers, it's easier to remove the dirt inside the rug.  And the rug will not wear down and out as quickly.
 
The best, bar none, for cleaning and grooming rugs is HOOVER: The GOLD standard.  Lifts and separates the carpet fibers.  And cleans.  
 
I keep an area carpet, same as my house Mohawk wool low level plush, in my garage and park my Ford Explorer XLT on the carpet.  The vehicle weighs about 4500 pounds, maybe more.  After sitting over night, the carpet is matted down from the tires, especially the front tires.  The least expensive HOOVER upright TEMPO, $60 rated no 8 by Consumer Reports in October 2006, will restore the carpet's resilience in a few passes: Grooming.  At the same time removes any dirt on the surface and embedded.
 
Try the same with the more expensive vacuums.  They'll do the job, but with more passes and not as well.
 
I vacuum my house rugs daily with an upright  HOOVER WT Supreme (MSRP $120).  The look and feel of the rugs (when you walk across) is the same today (7 months after the rugs were installed) as new.  A year from now,  2 years from now, 10 years from now, I expect the same.  My household includes my dear Wife, a 9 year old English yellow lab, and me.  The dog sheds all the time.  I have 2 grand daughters who visit daily with my daughter and/or son-in-law.  The oldest, 2 1/2 yo, loves to run, jump, bounce, lay and play on the rugs.  Her toys and playing on the rug mat the rug down.  My dog laying on the rug mats the rug down.  No problem.  A few quick passes with the HOOVER WT and voila, restored to new (and cleaned).  Grooming.  Lifting and separating rug fibers and restoring natural resilience.
 
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Reply #7 - 12/30/06 at 2:28pm
 
the lindhaus power nozzle,has a very similar set up to the sebo, brush styles, attack angle of the base.brush roll design.when set up and working properly they should work the same.
 
There again i have had kirby customers say that g3,4,5,6, also skip across their carpets,the problems were usually corre ted by brush roll change,not over adjusting the nozzle,and changing the rear wheels.
 
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Reply #8 - 12/31/06 at 1:20pm
 
If I remember right, Lindhaus offers different density brush rolls for their vacs.  If so, you could upgrade your Lindhaus brush with a softer brush roll for far less $$$ than a new powerhead.
 
The DC17 Dyson apparently has a brush roll more suited to American rugs than the older, Euro-oriented Dysons.
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Reply #9 - 12/31/06 at 2:20pm
 
Quote from VacOMatic on 12/31/06 at 1:20pm:

The DC17 Dyson apparently has a brush roll more suited to American rugs than the older, Euro-oriented Dysons.  

 
Dyson finally adopted a US industry standard brush roll for their uprights: After 5 years almost since launch in the USA.  Customers have to pay dearly: $549 for the ONE dyson upright (DC17 Absolute Animal) suited for ALL US carpets save the DC15 Ball which is as horrendous to use as some think the HOOVER Z.  
 
If dyson is smart it will retro fit US industry standard brushrolls for their first generation DC07 and 2nd generation DC14 which are still in abundant supply at all US big box retailers.  The ratcheting noisy clutch is the dilemma.  Or it would have been done already IMHO.
 
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