Forum - The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cleaner

guess_who Junior Member Posts: 29	Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle Reply #20 - 03/28/07 at 7:54pm Thanks Carmine. I was wondering because I did not see it in the line-up of canister vacs on the Sears website. Venson
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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #21 - 03/29/07 at 12:28pm

Hi again Carmine,

You may already be aware off this but I was not. I checked the online Sears' site but did not see the Iridium. When I checked again this morning I did see the Dyson "Stow Away" canister ($474.98) in its place. The info copy bears the "The only canister vacuum that doesn't lose suction," blurb so I think LG's Iridium is probably a thing of the past as far as Sears is concerned.

Also, the rug nozzle is "powered by a separate motor" which I takew to mean its been electrified.

Sounds like a little push and shove was going on and Dyson got the upper hand. Nonetheless, the new Electrolux bagless remains in the line-up.

Venson

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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #22 - 03/29/07 at 2:13pm

Hello Venson:

Here's some info on the Sears Proressive Cyclonic Bagless canister (from the product literature):

15 vortex cyclones
12 amps
2 liter dirt capacity
Power controls mounted on the handle (3 stage low, medium, high touch pad control)
InteliClean System with LED Display (detects dust and dirt and adjusts cleaning power for rugs and floors automatically with LED display when on)
Aluminum telescopic wands
Cord length 19-21 foot (depends on model) and automatic rewind
4 manual step toe tap pad height adjustment on power nozzle
Dual long-life LED headlights on the power nozzle
Low profile power swivel nozzle
Washable HEPA with easy access allows 4 washings every 6 months and still effective
HandiMate Jr air turbine tool
Horse hair floor brush
See through hose
3 in 1 Combo Tool (dusting brush, upholstery brush and crevice tool) stores on handle
Soft tire canister wheels

I knew that SEARS planned to carry the DC21 Stowaway. It appears that some SEARS stores, like the one in Vegas, is matching the SEARS Progressive brand name for the cyclonic bagless to the dyson brand name for canisters. While other SEARS stores are matching the Electrolux brand name for the bagless canisters against dyson. That's my sense. And the MSRP on the SEARS Progressive is $399. The SEARS Progressive canister claims: "15 Individual cones separate the dust from the intake air to maximize suction power and cleaning performance."

We recently saw BEST BUY discontinue the Electrolux line (including the canisters), only to bring them back after the Consumer Reports ratings and rankings in October 2006.

The Iridium canister was not a popular seller, so I am told.

Carmine D.

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guess_who Junior Member Posts: 29	Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle Reply #23 - 03/29/07 at 2:51pm Hi, I just checked in with my Sears in nearby Rego Park, NY. The salesperson I spoke with says the Progressive bagless has been discontinued. I mentioned the Dson Stowaway and its listing online and she informed me that they do not have them in the store at present. Venson
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Reply #24 - 03/29/07 at 3:11pm

Back again . . .

Now gang don't things mixed up. I don't hate Dyson -- I just will never buy one. However, for those of you who will and just can't wait. I did searches on both nextag.com and pricegrabber.com, and the standing price is $500.00 approximately ($499.90 to $499.99). Sears Online only is offering the lowest price of $474.98.

My Boy Scout good deed for the day is done. Thank you very much.

Venson

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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #25 - 03/29/07 at 3:14pm

Thanks, Venson. As of 2 weeks ago yesterday, the SEARS Progressive Cyclonic Bagless canisters were still in stock and for sale at the SEARS store in N. Las Vegas. And was told that the DC21 Stowaway was due. The Electrolux bagless canister was not, nor was the Iridium and neither were ever carried, so I was told. At my next SEARS visit, I'll check in to see what's there.

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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #26 - 03/29/07 at 3:17pm

Quote from guess_who on 03/29/07 at 3:11pm:

Now gang don't things mixed up. I don't hate Dyson -- I just will never buy one.
Venson

I can't say that because I did buy the DC07 pink at TARGET. I gifted it away. And I'm still on the dyson mailing list as a registered dyson owner. And exchanged telephone calls and emails with dyson on the shortcomings I experienced with the dyson DC07 pink on my carpets and its helpline. To which dyson was extremely professional in its written reponse.

I was not accused of being a "dyson hater" or "mean spirited" and "evil" and/or somehow lacking in personal and professional attributes like truthfulness and sincerity.

Dyson said it would forward my email to its Engineering Department for future consideration. (I provided this email exchange to a poster on this Forum along with proof of my dyson DC07 pink purchase and personal use).

That's how "trust but verify" works.

Carmine D.

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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #27 - 03/30/07 at 8:46am

Quote from guess_who on 03/27/07 at 3:35pm:

Hi,
Do you think your staff is more mindful of emptying the dust container because they can see it?

What I have seen so far are bagless machines that suffer from the owners' belief that constant sucton claims also mean little or no maintenance.

Venson

Yes, Venson, I think that's exactly it. With bags, even if there is an indicator, they seem to think that "just one more vacuuming without changing" won't do any harm and that the next person can change it, and of course, the next person thinks exactly the same thing. With the Dysons they can see the bin, and as it approaches the "Max" line, they can see exactly where they stand.

As for cleaning the filter, the key there is having a schedule that you follow, which is a manger's responsibility. If you left it up to the individual vacuumers, I agree that it would never happen. In a home, I suspect some do a fine job of remembering to clean it, others don't. I agree that a warning light telling you to clean it would be a useful addition to the vacuum.

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guess_who Junior Member Posts: 29	Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle Reply #28 - 03/30/07 at 11:03pm Now you see it, now you don't. The Dyson Stowaway canister does not appear tonight at the Sears site. There was some sort pf problem with the interactive display but I wonder if the manufacture was not too pleased about the falling away from the party line price. Venson
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Re: The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cle
Reply #29 - 03/30/07 at 11:45pm

Quote from guess_who on 03/30/07 at 11:03pm:

Now you see it, now you don't. The Dyson Stowaway canister does not appear tonight at the Sears site. There was some sort pf problem with the interactive display but I wonder if the manufacture was not too pleased about the falling away from the party line price.

Venson

Hello Venson:

An interesting thought but...SEARS is not concerned about what other canister manufacturers think/do especially a new comer to the cann market like dyson which already has a tainted past (the dyson DC11 canister).

My sense is SEARS will take on the dyson DC21 Stowaway because it carries dyson uprights already AND SEARS Kenmore canisters comprise 25 percent of all the new canisters sold every year. A canister buying customer may potentially ask how the dyson canister stacks up to the SEARS Kenmore canisters. By having the dyson DC21 in stock and on display, canister customers can compare both brands in the SEARS store and make a purchase there and then. No need for going and looking elsewhere for a store that carries the DC21.

BTW, I recall SEARS stores had the dyson DC11 canister in May 2004 one month before BEST BUY stores. And BEST BUY launched the dyson line in the USA.

I'm willing to bet that for every 1 dyson DC21 canister sold in a SEARS store, at least 25 if not more SEARS Kenmore canisters will be sold in the same store.

As Jimmy the Old-Time Pro said cann makers and sellers in the USA market are playing in the dirty part of the field. And that's where SEARS plays alone and plays the best.

Carmine D.

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