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The filter vs the bag type of vacuum cleaner (Read 1172 times)
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Reply #30 - 04/01/07 at 7:51am
 
Hi Carmine,
 
The Dyson Stowaway is back online at Sears. Guess for how much . . .  $499.98.  There are games going on.  I think Dyson would have been so much better served to leave well enough and let the prior slight discount at Sears be an incentive to buy.
 
This is why I dislike business so much -- life just can't seem to go on without that last -- and usually unnecessary -- nickel.
 
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Reply #31 - 04/01/07 at 8:03am
 
Quote from guess_who on 04/01/07 at 7:51am:
Hi Carmine,

The Dyson Stowaway is back online at Sears. Guess for how much . . .  $499.98.  There are games going on.  
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Hello Venson:
 
SEARS conceded the battle (caved on the $25 price increase) to win the war: Keep and grow 25 percent of the new canister vacuum sales market in the USA every year.  It's a dirty game.  SEARS is the biggest player and plays to win.
 
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Reply #32 - 04/01/07 at 8:21am
 
Hi,
 
Nonetheless, the consumer won't win anything until a price reduction.  Per the manufacturer's specs, we're talking a 23 pound machine (I assume that is the weight when all is on board for storage), a .44 gallon bin capaciy and a 16.4 foot power cord.
 
I'd suggest anyone who'd like one waits until the price is down by a hundred bucks not only to get it cheaper but to send a message.  
 
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Reply #33 - 04/01/07 at 8:23am
 
Quote from guess_who on 04/01/07 at 8:21am:
Hi,

I'd suggest anyone who'd like one waits until the price is down by a hundred bucks not only to get it cheaper but to send a message.  

Venson

 
Venson,  you're right.  The price will come down.  THe question is how: Fall drastically and/or gradually.  Remember the DC11 and DC15.  The DC15 dropped $100 in less than 6 months in October 2005.  This was a red flag to buyers.  Poor DC15 marketing resulting in poorer DC15 sales.
 
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Reply #34 - 04/01/07 at 9:00am
 
Hi Carmine,
 
Indeed I do remember well.  I especially remember a woman browsing in Bed, Bath & Beyond quite vociferously stating, "I'm not paying $600 for a vacuum cleaner," after she'd laid eyes on the "Balls" price tag. This contined to be very interesting to me as a couple of other female shoppers had taken note and a small congregation of three soon decided that what was important was "getting the job done" and that the job could be done for a lot less than the store was asking.
 
Though allowing sellers at least a chance to make the purchase a bit more attractive by slight falling way from the MSRP might merely be another sucker play that the consumer is the brunt of, it would encourage better volume in regard to getting the ball (pardon the pun) rolling saleswise.
 
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Reply #35 - 04/01/07 at 9:15am
 
Quote from guess_who on 04/01/07 at 9:00am:
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Though allowing sellers at least a chance to make the purchase a bit more attractive by slight falling way from the MSRP might merely be another sucker play that the consumer is the brunt of, it would encourage better volume in regard to getting the ball (pardon the pun) rolling saleswise.

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Certainly worth a shot on SEARS part to have the edge price wise on the DC21 in the remote case that a customer insisted to buy.
 
Dyson dropped the "ball" too with the marketing terms for the DC07 Original: An exclusive model for Wal*Mart for $378 with a 2 year warranty to replace the DC07 All Carpets.  The buzz on the Forum about the facts and circumstances of this event is legendary.  As are the Wal*Mart people who were responsible for the fiasco and are now long gone and forgotten (as the dyson model).
 
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Reply #36 - 04/12/07 at 4:14pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/29/07 at 3:14pm:
Thanks, Venson.  As of 2 weeks ago yesterday, the SEARS Progressive Cyclonic Bagless canisters were still in stock and for sale at the SEARS store in N. Las Vegas.  And was told that the DC21 Stowaway was due.  The Electrolux bagless canister was not, nor was the Iridium and neither were ever carried, so I was told.  At my next SEARS visit, I'll check in to see what's there.  

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Hello Venson:
 
I made my obligatory monthly visit to the SEARS store in N. Las Vegas to scope out the vacuums.
 
The SEARS Progressive bagless canister is gone:  Display and stock.  I was told that it was an awful seller.  Not worth the space it occupied on the shelf.  I was told the same about the Electrolux Twin Clean bagless canister.  So I don't expect it to survive any longer.  The sales person said the only vacuum that he's seen that was worse was the dyson DC11 canister.  He's been doing the vacuum sales for about 16 years.
 
On a good note, the SEARS store is in the midst of its big season sale and the vacuums featured like the SEARS bagged canister (the green quocomole) for $129 and bagged HOOVER WT SP for $199 are displayed and ready for demoing.  Some lookers too, mostly paper bag buyers, but strolling the vacuum aisles to see what's on sale.
 
BTW, while this store carries the full dyson product line it passed on the dyson DC16 Hand Held.  Why?  The 5 minute run time on a full charge (SUCKED was the word used to describe the short usage time).  And the price $149.  Chalk up another loser for 500 dyson engineers.
 
Sells the Black & Decker bagless hand vacuum with pivoting head and self cleaning filter.
 
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Reply #37 - 04/12/07 at 9:23pm
 
Thanks for the heads-up Carmine.
 
I think it's a shame that what is a perfectly good vacuum didn't get the push it deserved and, to my mind, got left to sell itself.  It's as good as , if not better, than anything Dyson's come up with so far.
 
I also feel that if the pricing had been a bit more attractive maybe it would have had a better chance.  Nonetheless, that's all water under the bridge.  It's my hope that at least Euro-Pros bagless will prove good sensibly priced competition.  Has there been an increase of stories with happy endings in regard to Euro-Pro's customer service?
 
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Reply #38 - 04/12/07 at 9:35pm
 
Hello Venson:
 
I think it is safe to say that after the dyson DC21 Stowaway dies an ignominious death, the bagless canister in the USA will go the way of the horse drawn carriage (as a particular poster on the Forum use to like to say).  Save the E-P which priced the bagless cann wisely right out of the gate (pardon the pun).  
 
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