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Title: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which one? Post by mark40511 on 05/03/07 at 7:56pm I want a reliable/user friendly can..Hopefully as easy to use as progressive cans but more durable...Which Real Electrolux model would be worth getting reconditioned? I see several on Ebay..Renaissance..super j..silverado...I don't know much about these only that they are very durable.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 9:47am Hi Mark,the electrolux Super J, olympia1,silverardo before the L.F.motor are the most desireable electroluxes to rebuild,When these machines are done right they will last 15 to 20 more years,have a tune up done every 7 to 10 years.The motors were the best ones lux ever made.Rebuilt LUXES bring as much money as when they were new. The rebuid should consist of the following. tear the whole power unit down right down to the bare shell,fans,bearings,carbons,and bench run the motor. clean and service the automatic control. rebuild the cordwinder,cord,drumspring,cord drum. new front pivot wheel[the rubber one] new trim and rear wheels. new switch. new electric hose[the pistol grip]O.E.M. type. P/N/5,6,7. with new brush rollor,timing belt,circuit breaker,front and rear wheels,new elbow.New top wand,lower wand,sheath,sheath cord. put a Five year parts and labor warranty on it..... O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/05/07 at 1:43pm Mark, I've got an Olympia One that I picked up at a Flea Market that was worse for the wear.. I've done just about everything old-timer mentioned except for the motor bearing (awaiting final instruction for removal). I'm not a vacuum guy, but I can tell you that if you have the time and are moderatly handy you can accomplish it. When you tear the vacuum down you can see the solid quality that was built into these old 'lux's. I even got a hold of a matching PN4 that I cleaned up and repainted. (they're usually scratched to heck from years of use. Good luck finding one. Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 2:18pm Hi Dan,what bearing you trying to replace the fan end or the carbon brush end?  O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/05/07 at 2:37pm old-timer, lI guess it's called the front bearing. I have the motor apart (brushes, fans and armature) I have a cap off beneath the bearing that exposes the little brass cylinder that the top of the armature goes in. That's where I'm stuck. Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 2:52pm Hi Dan,when you removed the cap there should have been a fibre washer inside,dont loose it.Put the cap back on,tap the edges with blunt object.Then take the top cap off,exposing the sleeve bearing and the felt washer,lube the felt with 30 wt,motor oil,or 3 in 1 oil.Is this the loud bearing? O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/05/07 at 2:59pm old-timer, I'm only assuming so as to what tiger21 initially said. The question is is how to get the top cap off. I figured that was what had to be done but there just doesn't seem to be a lip where the cap meets the motor housing. Nothing to get the blade of a screwdriver in to pry. Any tricks you can suggest? I saw a small bearing in one of the fans...I figured I would hit that with some motor oil as well (I was actually thinking of a teflon cream that I have). Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 3:10pm Try this,take a flat blade screwdriver,put it on the edge of the cap at the top,and whack the screwdriver hard.It should come loose after you beat it a few times.Its like a giant metal cap plug. O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/05/07 at 3:16pm Dan, I'll give it a try...liquid wrench worked with the fan housings...I'll try that too. Should I oil the felt washer under the bottom cap before I put it back. It's hard, not much like felt anymore. Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 3:29pm That washer is does not to be lubed,just lube the big felt pad on the top.does the armature fit snug and spin free in the top bearing. The lower [fan end] bearing is a rollor bearing that is shielded,these cant be lubricated,because of the metal shield . If you need help replacing this we will guide you through it.It's not that hard.........  O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by mark40511 on 05/05/07 at 5:03pm I'm thinking of buying one from this site but I'm not sure yet. http://www.vacuumman.com/canister.html

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/05/07 at 5:56pm mark, That website actually gave me the idea of painting the canister. I had to paint the inside because it was rusty by the cordwinder. So while I was at it I did the rest. He sure has quite an inventory according to the pictures. I guess if your going to buy one all done up and are able to order it, It seems from the prices I see paid on ebay and from what I've read in this forum that  the Silverado was the best one. old-timer, I got to the felt pad in the front bearing, thank you. Now about that fan bearing... Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/05/07 at 6:56pm Dan,the lower housing that holds the lower bearing is repaired by drilling out the 2 rivets on the shield. Note that one hole is bigger than the other,put it back together just as they came off.The lower bearing is the most common bearing used on ametek/and many universal motors,The old pt# was 608z,i believe it's either 8 or9mm now.You can tap the old bearing out. when putting the cover back on use screws and nuts,just long enough to secure the cover,use flat head screws,put the nuts and lock washers on the armature side ,check for clearence and your good to go.  O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by mark40511 on 05/05/07 at 7:34pm What would the emissions be like on a nice rebuilt metal electrolux? What if I use the 4 ply bags? Are they as good as microlined bags?

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Dan_the_man on 05/06/07 at 8:03am Mark, Emissions will not compare with todays vacuums. These old metal lux's don't have any type of HEPA or even an after filter like the plastic ones. I have good luck with micro lined bags...but hopefully an expert will chime in. Dan

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/06/07 at 11:25am Hi the standard genuine lux bags filter to 95%,if you are all heebe jeebeed,about emmisions,try this cut out a filter put it behind the bag.This will pick up the filtration level. It's kind of fuuny that the lux upright has been using a premotor filter for years. IF YOU WANT MAX,AIRMOVEMENT ,YOU GOTTA LET THAT BABY BREATHE. If you want to pm me i will really tell you what H.E.P.A. filters do for emissions,and how they cut motor life in half. yes 3m filtrete bags,work quite well by the way. I believe Vernon has experimented with these bags in his luxes..  O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by guess_who on 05/06/07 at 1:18pm Hi O.T., Keeping in mind that "the baby's got to breathe," for the emissions minded/worried how harmful would it be to cut maybe quarter-inch thick foam or other filtering medium to fit the bottom of the bag chamber for the Electrolux 1205 and above? Regards, Venson

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/06/07 at 1:40pm Hi Venson,the foam filter would most certainly keep the fans from getting fatigued,although it takes a number of years for the fans to get worn out with the standard 4 ply bag. The 1205 does not pull as hard as a SuperJ,oly1,or silverardo. :) The uprights filter is foam. It can be washed and cleaned about every 25 to 30 bags. and activated charcoal filter would work very good also.[pre motor filter] You and I both know that H.E.P.A. is just the latest Buzz in the industry. O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by mark40511 on 05/07/07 at 12:57am will anyone here rebuild a nice metal electrolux? How much would you charge?

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by vaclov on 05/07/07 at 5:19pm I know I'm off the main topic, but do HEPA filters really cut the life of a vacuum motor in half, and I'm curious as to what they really do.  I know they help me a lot becaue I have terrible allergies, but can you tell me as to why they are harmful to the motors.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Mike_W. on 05/08/07 at 1:02pm Strong filters cause the motor to work more, but it is slight. The big problem comes when the filter becomes clogged w/dirt.  That is when the motor really heats up.  People try to stretch their filter life or they just do not check the filter until it is too late.  This is the main reason for Bissell bagless motor burn-outs. Another problem w/filters is that some brands will allow air to escape around the filter when it is clogging, instead of going through the filter. Filtration is very important.  It may not be important to everyone, but it is to those who have allergic reactions to what is being picked up by the vacuum cleaner, a/c, etc. Everyone has different levels of allergies, so it is important to find out how bad your allergies are.  Personally, I do not need the most filtration, but I know that I need some. When shopping for a vacuum cleaner, there is no need to find the best filtration machine if you, or the people around you, do not have any reactions. If you have some allergic reaction to what comes out of the machine, find a filtration level that works for you.  Let's not throw out HEPA all together. The filtration on the Electrolux is not going to filter as well as using the final filter on it.  Later Electrolux-Aerus(USA) machines gave you a choice of putting on a final filter if you need it.  Miele gives you a choice also.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by old-timer on 05/08/07 at 1:42pm Hi Mike,I agree with you to a certain point.The problem lies is that everyone that rates hepa systems use different formulas to arrive at the ratings. There is no one true rating standard system. This often times gets real confusing to both the industry and the customer. Such as is the filter,true hepa rated,or is the whole system true hepa rated. Then the cost differences on the units come into play.Often time the customer walks out shaking their heads and are now totally confused. O.T.

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by guess_who on 05/09/07 at 2:31am Hi guys, As most consumers, I'm basicallly more concerned about the preservation of an investment.  The scenario being one involving a vacuum I'd spent some money on, I'd be far more pleased due to a filtration set-up/mechanism that not only helped clean up exhaust air but helped keep a vacuum motor clean and thus extended its life.  HEPA filters are usually expensive and that usually does cause an owner to want to be sure he/she has gotten the most use of it before having to buy a new one. HEPA filters are also best used as after-filter devices in canister and clean stream upright vacs which still would mean ample pre-filtering is needed to provide a balance that pays off all around.  The problem with HEPA is that most manufacturers allow for minimum filtration area that only fulfills the hype factor.  Though not here to pitch product, I liked Nilfisk because it managed to link good airflow and high filtration potential, by way of options, into relatively compact machines like the GS 80 and now defunct 90.  These are/were mnachines that you could expect to go three to five years without purchasing new HEPA filters.  Again -- design means everything. Regards, Venson

Title: Re: Reconditioned Electrolux..Not Eureka..Which on Post by Mike_W. on 05/10/07 at 4:50am It is true that each vacuum cleaner/brand may word filtration differently, but that only means that the consumer should make himself/herself more knowledgeable.   The consumer should test vacuum cleaners out if they are not sure what kind of reaction they would get.  I am sure plenty of people have read when I tell some vacuum purchasers how to test the filtration and how it would work for them. Consumers should not go into a purchase blindly.

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