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Title: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/06/06 at 4:48pm Well Argos in the UK has got the DC16 on it's web. Here are the details they have on it: The only handheld that doesn't lose suction. 200 watts. Dust collection capacity 0.8 litres. Dustbin full indicator. Washable standard filtration. Includes combi tool and crevice tool. Weight 1.55kg. With a price of £99.99!! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/06/06 at 4:53pm Also Comet in the UK have the DC16 showing as well: 'The NEW handheld, cordless cleaner from Dyson with one-touch emptying, lifetime filters and Root6Cyclone technonlogy to ensure no clogged filters or loss of suction' 'Motor Power: 21.6 volts Cord ' 'Dust collection: Bagless Root 6 cyclone technology - no loss of suction trigger release bin' 'Lithium ion battery - recharges in 3 hours ' '36 air watts suction' |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/06/06 at 4:58pm So it's finally in the UK http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/4057066SPA66UC316176X.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/06/06 at 5:09pm Well UK shops are displaying it on their websites before any offical launch! You don't usually get that in the UK with a new Dyson product! They usually appear after the offical launch! Argos in the UK have the DC18 Slim in a brochure but not on their website yet! I will have to check if any of these are showing in stores like Currys or Comet in the UK. Probably they appear now before the product is launched! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/06/06 at 6:06pm Intriguing, although practical and what for? In the car? Maybe for crumbs and dried mud, but unless it can drive a air turbine, it's unlikely to shift dog hair. Around the home? Hmmm... work surfaces s'pose, but you can get £20 models which do a fair job at this. Workshop? Great, but use a £99 hand-held cleaner for oily mess? It would certainly have a place in some businesses, for example a coach or vehicle hire company - although perhaps the larger operations use backpack cleaners or similar. Back to my days of working in retail, this type of thing would have be great for cleaning racks and shelving. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by guess_who on 10/06/06 at 6:51pm Cute idea, nice science too, but the test here again is usefullness. It's rechargable and that's not bad so it might be good for light dusting above the floor -- tops of window frames and cornices -- if you're the fussy type. As with a few rechargable vacs I've seen in past, Black and Decker for one, an electrically run brush roll might be slightly hepful but would up the ante as regards drain on the battery by shortening worthwhile runtime. A small nozzle is the ticket in that you probably want to concentrate its already low suction for a better result. That in mind, the same as $100 blenders, it's just too expensive for its purpose. You can get equal results at far less a price. Venson |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/06/06 at 7:25pm It does look a bit expensive for a cordless hand held vac, and bigger than the others on the market! Be interesting to see how less it does and how good it performs! I personally like to use the hose with an attachment on a normal size vac for cleaning the car etc... more power and better result! I would have preferred them to have produced a corded hand held vac! Not that we have many of them here in the UK! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by vacuuman on 10/06/06 at 9:00pm It looks very interesting. I will try one as soon as I can get to one. However, I think I am going to wait for the price to go down before I think about getting one. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Vacuumfreeeke on 10/06/06 at 10:11pm I think it is pretty ugly... maybe unique is a more appropriate word. I can't believe it doesn't have a spinning brushroll! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/06/06 at 11:05pm It has a commercial look to it. Like something you can take out to the garage and vacuum up nuts and bolts. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by tiger21 on 10/06/06 at 11:38pm I see it is a cordless hand vac. It is not supposed to lose suction. So far I have not seen a cordless that could retain its full performance for very long . I will wait to see for myself when it comes out. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by vacuuman on 10/07/06 at 12:40am The style is the same as a Dyson upright, just re-arranged into a hand held shape. I have always thought Dysons were a little complex looking, so many shapes, curves, lines visible parts, etc. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/08/06 at 11:30am Amazon.co.uk has it live... Looks like Dyson isn't going to do much press on the DC16 or 18. All the press went into the AirBlade. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/08/06 at 1:55pm Will the DC16 come with a HEPA filter? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/08/06 at 2:14pm Probably no HEPA Filter! Amazon says it has a 2 year guarantee! I thought ALL new Dyson has 5 years! Typing error may be! I'm surprised if there is no press launch with the DC16 and DC18! Espeically the DC16 with it being a whole new product and market Dyson has not entered, hand held vacs! As fo the DC18 there is not much new on it, when you look at the picture and description so far. It's an updated DC03 and very slim! Just using parts (which have been improved) from other models: IE: Root 6 of DC16, same cleaning head/nozzle as DC15, wand same as DC14, DC15! But then again I would espect some launch from them on both products! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/09/06 at 2:32pm Now featured on the Dyson UK web site :- http://www.dyson.co.uk/range/feature_frame.asp?model=DC16-SY-STD&sinavtype=pagelink and a nice looking feature animation on the home page :- http://www.dyson.co.uk/ |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/09/06 at 2:58pm That featured animation on the home page would make a great commercial. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/09/06 at 3:06pm DC16 accessories are on there to! New type of pre motor filter! Although prices are not there you can replace nearly all the machine! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by dualcyclone on 10/09/06 at 5:53pm The official U.S. press release from Dyson about the DC16 and DC17 is this Friday, October 13. I am not permitted to talk about the specifics of the machines until then. I have seen, run, and used both of them (16 and 17) and have taken them apart, so can talk with authority about both (but not until Friday). Will be taking DC16 to Chicago for the VCCC Mini Meet this weekend. What do I think of DC16? Well, it's unique. The appeal for it will be to people who already own a full sized Dyson. This model, they can hang on the wall and use in an instant. With a 3 hour recharge time, it should always be ready for instant use. It's a very powerful hand held vac. It picks up pet hair (cat hair) very well without a revolving brush roller - I proved that to myself last month when I was using one to clean up, well, cat hair. There are two strips, like on a Miele Art, that clean up hair very well without a revolving brush. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/09/06 at 6:05pm Dual, have you used the pre-mentioned adaptor, to run an air turbine brush? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by dualcyclone on 10/10/06 at 1:17pm DC16 can run the mini turbine head very well. However, the machine is at an odd angle. Kind of like using an 18 volt cordless drill with a long screwdriver bit. I think the standard brush head as well as standard crevice tool are all people will want. BUT, if someone owns an Animal model Dyson, they could always put on the adapter and use their turbine head with DC16. Will be cleaning the mattresses at Best Western (where VCCC members will be staying for the weekend Mini Meet). Will be interesting to see what DC16 gets out. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/10/06 at 7:37pm It looks like the DC16 is selling fast on Amazon.co.uk. The sales rank is #15 in Kitchen & Home dept. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/12/06 at 8:28am The official US launch is here. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Tobias Fünke on 10/12/06 at 10:24am Just bought it! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by ArtieV on 10/12/06 at 11:46am Dyson is emailing registered owners for direct shipping, (apparently free) for $149.99. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by joethevacman on 10/12/06 at 8:35pm Wow, it's been quite a long time. I was excited when I received an e-mail in my inbox that said "dc-16". My first thought was how much is it going to be. I was shocked that for the little amount that it does -- it came with a hefty $150 price tag. I definately think that it is way to high for a dustbuster like vacuum that doesn't lose suction. :P That's too bad that Dyson's prices are still up there. On a side note, I can't wait to use the Airblade in a restroom. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/14/06 at 8:21am Looks like one of the first to own one. http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/10/sgtdoom.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/14/06 at 8:36am Not as big as I thought! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/14/06 at 9:23am http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/crunchgear/October%202006/IMG_3460.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/crunchgear/October%202006/IMG_3466.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/crunchgear/October%202006/IMG_3463.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/crunchgear/October%202006/IMG_3473.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by ArtieV on 10/14/06 at 10:45am Note that dyson does not use the name "DC16" in their emails, web site nor, apparently, in their packaging material. Art |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/14/06 at 10:48am ArtieV wrote:
Only on the box pictured above? |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/14/06 at 10:58am Yay, it says DC16 on the box front (top right) I saw them stacked up in the shops this morning. It also has the usual Dyson airwatts comparison graph (sans scale) showing the sudden drop off from competing makes. I think it's going to be a great x-mas seller for Dyson. Although uprights and canisters are often given as presents, this'll make a nice sized box under the tree. Plus it can be brought out on boxing day, to clear up the general mess! A smart move, along with fair margins (the lithium ion battery being a major component cost) it should help promote the Dyson brand like never before. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/14/06 at 3:43pm Nice cigar, did it come with the handvac? O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 10/15/06 at 6:58am Good pics of the DC16 or Root 6 as it's known!! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/15/06 at 8:26am old-timer wrote:
For the ashes test! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by dualcyclone on 10/16/06 at 4:02pm I took my DC16 Hand Held Dyson to the Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club - Mini Meet, in Chicago this past weekend. It worked like a dream. Cleaned the crumbs from the table after dinner, cleaned up the car interior, and then cleaned all the Hoovers that we got in Aurora (Illinois) that were still new in the box (from the 1960's). The boxes had sat for 40 years. There were brand new Floor Washers, etc. still in the boxes, but the boxes were in terrible shape, dusty, etc. Dyson cleaned up a couple of Convertibles (like the model 65 that John P. got) that were like brand new, but otherwise dusty. The DC16 was a big hit. I'll post some of my pics from the weekend on the VCCC's website. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/16/06 at 4:59pm Is their a link to the VCCC site. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Sucker for Vacs on 10/19/06 at 9:43pm Anyone know the recharge time for this vac? The dude at Best Buy told me it has rated runtime of 5 minutes. This "fact" actually stopped me from buying one on impulse. Seems like you'd have to recharge it after almost every use. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/20/06 at 4:39pm The dude was correct. The runtime is 5 minutes but then again the DC16 was designed for quick pickups. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by guess_who on 10/20/06 at 5:28pm Hi, I saw the new baby at my local Best Buy . . . it was the $135 price tag that stopped me dead in my tracks. Venson |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/21/06 at 9:43am Doing the math for $ Purchase Price divided by Run Time the result is $27 cost per run minute. Steep. By contrast, the HOOVER bagless Slider, also designed for quick household pick ups on floors and rugs with a revolving brush, weighs 3 pounds if that, stick vacuum, retails for $25-$40 and has a run time of 30 minutes. Doing the same math as above the HOOVER (bagless) Slider results in a cost per run minute of 83 cents to $1.33. These two products are designed for different but related cleaning purposes. The cost per run minute is one common cost denominator for both products regardless of their cleaning uses and purposes. Here's a real life household cleaning requirement: You have household pets (69 million Americans do) who like to lay on your beds, sofas, and chairs. They shed. The pet hair is both unsightly and can be unhealthy for most. This requires vacuuming on a daily basis. What cleaning product would you use to vacuum up the pet hair: The HOOVER Slider or................fill in your favorite. Now complicate the cleaning situation. But still keeping it real. You've finished the bed, sofa, and/or chair and you want to continue with area rugs, pet bed, bare floors, room corners, under furniture, between furniture, and wherever else pet hair/dust scatters and clumps. What product would (and/or could) you use? HOOVER Slider? Yes, for sure. Another............fill in your favorite. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JimB on 10/21/06 at 11:05am Used this for the first time this morning. It made cleaning out the family van easier than it has been in a long time. I can't imagine doing the same job with a stick vac. I liked the fact that when I set it down, while crawling around in the back, it would not keep running due to the trigger mechanism. Even with kids and dogs to clean out for in my van I had no issues with runtime it probably took me about 25 minutes of work to do a thorough cleaning and it worked great everytime I pulled the trigger. Did the job great and it didn't cost me anything additional, per minute used. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by dualcyclone on 10/21/06 at 11:31am Most of my friends from VCCC have a Hoover Slider. So do I. While it's very light weight, it really doesn't have any suction to speak of. The brush revolves and basically throws the dirt into a tiny little cup, with a paper thin filter that clogs immediately. Try picking up a small piece of dry cat food with the left side of the Slider. It will be next Tuesday before the brush gets the one piece of cat food into the 'dirt cup'. At least the Dyson actually works ("properly" as James would say). There IS an adapter to allow you to use the attachments that come in the "Dyson Car Cleaning Kit" with the DC16. I fitted the adapter to my DC16, then added the telescopic extension wand from my DC02 canister, along with the Dyson-Designed Low Reach Floor Tool, and it picked up perfectly on the floors, MUCH better than the Hoover Slider (which is no more than just a toy - not a cleaner but entertainment for children and the very elderly. LOL Carmin) |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/21/06 at 12:04pm Carmine, the DC16 is really one nice hand held vac. I vacuumed the back seat and the hatch area and did a really nice job in the 5 mins allowed. If I had the car kit mini turbo tool then it would be one perfect hand held. http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/utilities/galleryview.php/711176a4e75a5a0fb96670a597d7ca8d.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Trilobite on 10/21/06 at 6:13pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
Does the DC16 generate enough suction power to turn the brush in the turbo brush? I thought that certain cleaners were excluded from the car kit, namely DC01, DC02, DC03. DC01 and DC03 could only generate 90airwatts of suction power: not enough to turn a turbo brush, apparently. And I can't see how 36airwatts on DC16 possibly can. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 6:40pm Hi Carmine, Venson , Tom, and anyone else who remembers the black and decker dustbuster, where you turned the cleaner on, held it upside down and dropped the debries and stuff into it. I still find it amazing how many of these things were sold, but did not work. was this the start of creative advertising? O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/21/06 at 7:22pm dualcyclone wrote:
Hey Dual: I don't have cat food. My lab is diabetic and can't eat dry dog food. But I have a grand daughter whose 2 1/2 years old. She drops and throws M&M's plain and peanuts, cheerios, cocoa puffs, and fruit loops on the floor. The HOOVER Slider works wonderfully. I like the fact that in the upright position it cuts off and then starts again when the handle is released. The opening for the debris into the dirt bin (the dirt bin is small) is about the size of the top half of an adult's thumb. Anything that is smaller than this has no problem for picking up and passing thru to the dirt bin. I vacuum the cement floor in my two car garage with the HOOVER Slider. I get alot of small pebbles and flower leaves and such in the garage. HOOVER Slider gets them right up. When I first saw the HOOVER Slider I thought it was a toy too. Looks are deceiving. It's no higher than most of the play vacuums sold for the same price. After I used it, I was convinced it is a wonderful quick cleaning aid for many household tasks. I typically use the car vacuums at the gas pumps for 50 cents for 5 minutes. But these don't pick up my lab's hair which gets stuck to the car carpeting. What I can't get with the straight suction car vacuums, I get with the HOOVER Slider. My lab stays in the back of our Ford Explorer when we travel. It's all carpeted. The straight suction at the gas pump vacuums can't get the dog hair up. The HOOVER Slider does easily. Because of the revolving brush roll. I don't care if it looks like a Christmas Tree ornament, if it does the job and costs $25-$40 dollars with a 30 minute charge, I'm a buyer and user. I am probably one of the HOOVER Slider's best customers. I've purchased quite a few and gifted them away to friends, family, and neighbors. They all praise the HOOVER Slider. I have 4 brand new HOOVER Sliders in boxes in the garage. Also to be gifted away. And I'll probably buy more for the same reason. It's sad that HOOVER doesn't market these more aggressively. Every home in the USA would have at least one. Great for stairs too. Hello Chris: I can see some potential in the dyson DC16 (with improvements) for car detailing and limosine services, bus and rail lines, and even movie theaters. But not with a 5 minute run time. Maybe with 30 minute run time it would be attractive to the above buyers and users, at the current price. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 7:41pm A 5 minute charge might be ok for the limo service, as long as the limo's a mini cooper ;D O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 10/21/06 at 8:04pm Hoover had to have longer battery life since it takes about 5 times longer to vacuum what Dyson does in 5 minutes. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 8:11pm Did they use deep cycle batteries? O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/22/06 at 7:55am HARDSELL wrote:
Hello HS: If you have a charged HOOVER Slider (about 16 hours for a full charge) turn it on, and then TRY to stop the brushroll with the palm of your hand. Let us know what happens. It's amazing. Less than 3 pounds and it looks like a play vacuum. It will do most of the quick household cleaning jobs better than many others and for $25-$40. It's a bargain. I think it's the best in its category. The dirt bin will allow the users to pick up 30 minutes worth of household use. If it had a larger dirt bin, it would eliminate some of the lightweight and even full size uprights on the market. Women love them. Easy to use. Quick and easy to store. You can hang it on a door. It lays flat. And has a handle that rotates 180 degrees for slipping and "slidding" under chairs, furniture, behind the toilet bowls, under coffee tables. Whatever. Always ready to go. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/22/06 at 11:28am Not bad this Hoover Slider. http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/07/35/02/02/0007350202801_AV_500X500.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/22/06 at 11:29am But it has nothing to do with the Dyson DC16 Hand Held. I wouldn't be able to vacuum out my car with the Slider. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/22/06 at 1:44pm Hell Chris: Thanks for the pic. Mea culpa. The picture is deceiving WRT the way the user vacuums in the picture. The picture does not show the top half of the HOOVER Slider handle, which appears not to be connected. In real life usage with both parts of the handle attached, the top of the HOOVER Slider handle comes right to waist length for an adult of average height. The dyson DC16 is a hand vacuum until you add the tools and use it like a stick vacuum. The HOOVER Slider is a pure stick vacuum WITH A REVOLVING BRUSH ROLL. While both are designed for different purposes, they serve similar cleaning needs. Both are bagless. And both are cordless and rechargeable. I posted about the HOOVER Slider to show the difference for comparative run times and costs to the dyson DC16. I compared the cost per run minute for the dyson DC16 vice the HOOVER Slider. The DC16 is $27 per run minute. The HOOVER Slider is $.83 cents to $1.33. "IF" dyson can improve the run time from 5 minutes, which BTW costs 50-75 cents at the local gas pump vacuums, to 30 minutes, then the DC16 becomes a viable cleaner for users (IMHO). And has potential for other business applications at the current price. I use my HOOVER Slider for my Ford Explorer. The rear cargo area of the Explorer, which is completely carpeted and where my lab stages, is constantly mucked up with lab hair. It sticks to the rug pile. Straight suction vacuums, like my SHOP VAC (really a wall garage vacuum) and the gas pump vacuums with the industrial hose and tool openings, can't pick up most of the lab hair that is stuck to the my car's rug surfaces. I vacuum a few passes with the HOOVER Slider and all the dog hair, and everything else, gets picked up. I also remove the rug mats up front and in the rear. Place them on my garage apron and vacuum with the HOOVER Slider. The HOOVER Slider nozzle will easily fit in the foot wells of my Explorer, both front and back, for vacuuming. Plus a 100 other uses. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/22/06 at 2:27pm More pictures: http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/07/35/02/02/0007350202801_AV1_500X500.jpg http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/07/35/02/02/0007350202801_500X500.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/22/06 at 3:25pm All week I've been thinking of buying the DC16. Could a handheld justify such a high price? Do I really need such a thing? On Thursday, my decision was made; I won 100 GBP as part of a team in a pub quiz - enough to buy the Dyson and turn my winnings into something more tangible. Before Dyson, vacuum cleaners never really entered my own mind as an object of desire. The same has been true of handheld vacs - they're not the most masculine of objects. Dyson have done an amazing job over the years in getting regular guys involved with the domestic cleaning chores. The design of the DC16 seems more like a cordless power drill than the typical triangular wedge of the Black & Decker dustbuster and the clones that followe. It's striking - unmistakably different, unmistaken Dyson. The bulk of the weight is, as you'd expect, within the motor and battery pack. As there's a minimum airflow speed required for root cyclone filtration to work effectively, both these parts are heavier than on a typical handheld. The hand drill-style handle helps and just like with a drill, the design lends you towards griping the 'barrel' of the cleaner with your other hand, for waist height cleaning. The 5 minute use before charging initially sounds prohibitive. In practice, its efficiency in pulling up dust and dust means that for the average domestic environment, you're unlikely to need any longer than this. The battery is Li-ion, giving greater performance over the Ni-cad cells more typically used in handhelds. This part alone gives the vac it's higher than average price. By comparison, a similar-sized Li-ion replacement battery for my laptop costs 150 GBP - I wouldn't be surprised if Dyson are working on tight profit margins just to get this product 'out there'. Rather than intending using this along side an exiting vacuuming cleaner, I'm looking to use it as my *only* vacuum cleaner. Having wood panelled laminate flooring throughout - within a week, the dust bunnies soon start appearing. Having the handheld to hand makes it a simple job to scoot around, suck them up and have them spinning into the cyclone in no time. Along with the occasional use of a nylon brush, this task is now quicker than pulling a canister and much more fun than a dustpan and brush. A lot of thought has obviously gone into the product design. All parts are modular and come apart for easy cleaning. Both post and pre motor filters are used, with the vac refusing to work unless the pre motor is in place. The nozzle rotates freely, which allows you to get in to tight corners where rotating the whole cleaner is not possible. To combination nozzle converts effortlessly to a dusting brush, a new feature also used on the latest uprights. 3 status LEDs report the battery power level and provide diagnostic feedback. As well as around the house, I gave it a quick go in the car. It works well, pulling up dog hair dry mud and grit as you'd expect. Even in the foot wells, it was fine to use - but I guess this depends on space you have available. It's not as readily accessible in some areas, like under seats, as using a normal vac hose. But presumably it could be used with the Dyson flexi-crevice tool to get in to these spaces. In all, it's the handheld cleaner: reinvented. Maybe the first of many to come - partially if new inventions such as fuel cells can be integrated in the near future. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by M00seUK on 10/24/06 at 10:05am Time magazine on James Dyson, the Airblade and the DC16 Root6 handheld :- http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1549312,00.html |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/30/06 at 11:43am Best Buy had 6 DC16's in just over a week ago and now they are sold out. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/09/06 at 10:38am Hello Chris: The December 2006 FHM (For Him Magazine) has a section on "gadgetry." The DC16 is featured Under "Tools" along with 6 other hand tools mostly Black & Decker. But FHM does not categorize as a tool. It's a separate item by itself. The by line: "Bust More Dust" and the write-up "Dyson has devised a devious scheme to make cleaning fun by designing a handheld vacuum that looks like a ray gun. With the Root 6, which famously never loses suction, you're Han, dirt is Greedo, and the Millenium Falcon (aka your Corolla) is clean and cleared for take off. Punch it! $150 www.dyson.com. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by JD on 11/23/06 at 6:28pm I see this model is a standard 2 year full Dyson warranty and not 5 years like all other models! |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 11/24/06 at 11:49am The Electrolux Pronto 2 in 1 stick hand held bagless for $99 comes with a 2 year product warranty also. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by VacOMatic on 11/24/06 at 2:55pm wrt root 6 handheld; 1. How much more airflow than the new crop of hand vacs (many of which now have 16 - 18 volt batteries) ? 2. How loud (cars are confined spaces and tend to "focus" noise back at the user), compared to other hand vacs? The 5 minute run time is a bummer, given many portables can elk out 10 - 15 minutes per charge. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 12/01/06 at 10:38pm The DC16 will be featured on the HSN channel in a few more minutes. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/02/06 at 7:32am Hello Chris: I saw the HSN listing about 30 minutes of dyson innovations and the DC16. I did not watch the DC16 demo. How did it go? Did you watch the 30 minutes segment on the DC07 Low Reach for $399, with extra tools, the play dyson, and 5 flex payments of $79.95. Free S&H, and money refund through January 8, 2007. If you did, what did you think? Did you catch the dyson HSN misinformation/technical inconsistencies? Did you catch a glimpse of the dyson brushbar after picking up the different types of pet hairs? When the gentleman lifted up the brush nozzle head to show the self-adjusting feature, the camera segued very briefly on the brushbar. Not a pretty sight. Tactical demo error on TV. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 12/02/06 at 8:35am Carmine, I missed most of the DC07 demo but that guy didn't do bad at all. They sold over 8,000 and most likely sold over 10,000 by midnight. Next segment was the Hoover Floor Cleaner and the host of the show talked about the Dyson throughout the Hoover Demo. I know that Hoover rep was pissed off. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson_Chris on 12/02/06 at 8:40am By the way have you seen Dysons new website? http://www.dyson.com/outcleans |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/02/06 at 9:41am Dyson_Chris wrote:
Chris: Here's a short list of the misinformation/technical inconsistencies by HSN in the airing of the dyson DC07 Low Reach TV promo: HSN dyson sales rep never identified the dyson model as the "Low Reach," instead saying only dyson and/or DC07. The DC07 Low Reach comes with a 5 Year Warranty not 2, like the HSN dyson TV sales rep said in the promo. The ONLY dyson upright with a 2 year warranty is the exclusive model made for Wal*Mart for $378. (The timing of the HSN dyson TV sales promo will take away sales from the Wal*Mart DC07 Original). Dyson has been in the USA since April 2002, over 4 years, not 2 years like the HSN dyson sales rep said in the TV promo. The HSN scematics used to demo and explain the dyson root 8 technology suction is for the DC14 models not the DC07. They are different. Of course, the brushbar/brush nozzle head faux pas. Bad timing for showing the self-adjusting floating dyson head. Right after the pet hair pick up on the rug. TV viewers got a good look (though brief) at the pet hair and rug wrapped around the dyson brushbar after just a few passes on the rug with the DC07. No doubt the reason Consumer Reports and Which? retooled their pet hair pick up tests in 2006 to measure the pet hair in the dirt bin before and after rug cleaning. All the information provided about the dyson Animal play dyson was correct, EXCEPT ONE. The Low Reach trim colors are different than the Animal. Low Reach is bright red and deep purple. The Animal is gray and light purple. They don't look alike! Now we know what's being done with the dyson play toy leftovers from the 2005 Holiday season dyson promo. Moral of the dyson TV sales promo: There's BS in the TV vacuum sales promo's too just like the BBS vacuum cartons. :) Nice website, I hadn't seen it. Thanks Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by HARDSELL on 12/02/06 at 6:38pm [/quote] Moral of the dyson TV sales promo: There's BS in the TV vacuum sales promo's too just like the BBS vacuum cartons. :) Carmine D. [/quote] Just like Oreck. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/02/06 at 8:22pm HS: ORECK's 40 plus years in the US vacuum industry as the leader for lightweight upright vacuums is a very rare form of BS. The kind that radiates a 14 carat glow. Dyson has 4 plus years in the US vacuum industry and apparently its TV promo reps (TWO) can't get that right! :o and :-[ Dyson and its reps should be ashamed of themselves to make a mistake like that on national TV. It undermines the credibility of the dyson company people and its products. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 12/03/06 at 12:01pm Hows the dyson washing machine,you know the new and redesigned one[for about the 5th time]. Maybe he can sell it in a package along with the hand dryer. :) :) :) O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by VacOMatic on 12/04/06 at 12:07am Tried out the dc16 at Linens and Things yesterday. Somewhat disappointing. Didn't move all that much air compared to some of the other newer (16 - 18 volt black and deckers) - I checked the filters and they were clean. Noisy (kinda like a dentist's drill). The dirt chamber eject mechanism seemed very flimsy (noted a tiny prawl is forced against a tab molded into the bin door in order for door to open). For $150 I expected much better. Then again, it's a first-gen model, and perhaps it will get some revisions next year. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/04/06 at 8:11am VacOMatic wrote:
Here's a 2 generation B&D called the "Pivot Vacuum" for $69 with a 2 year warranty and pivoting head. It's new (vice the corded AND cordless B&D versions which have been on the market for several years) and is on sale at most of the large retailers: http://www.blackanddecker.com/productguide/product-details.aspx?productid=14069&toolview=2#details If you click on the "view product demo" icon under the picture and then click on "video" on the menu bar you can view a video of the B&D "Pivot Vacuum" hand held. It has audio too so turn on the speakers. The B&D has a feature for the user to clean the filter, like the Euro-Pro Shark uprights, by hand turning a wheel and not touching the dirt. Marketed primarily for cars and home use, men/women It is ONE of dyson's biggest competitors in the hand held vacuum market at half the dyson price. Folds up nicely too, with a pouch for storage, built in crevice tool in the pivot nozzle (vice the add on of earlier B&D models like the cyclonic hand held vacuum) lighter, quicker, and easier to use than the DC16. The B&D doesn't have the rugged "Tim the Tool Time Man" look of the dyson which makes the B&D appealing to a larger user market, not just a "niche." At half the dyson price, same warranty as dyson, longer cleaning time, and comparable if not larger dirt container canister (11.8 ounces) than the dyson DC16, the B&D Pivot Vacuum hand held is the better buy (IMHO). Two for the price of one: One for the home and one for the garage. TARGET has the B&D Pivot Vacuum for a regular price of $59. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by old-timer on 12/04/06 at 1:12pm Maybe they will take the nozzle off and change it over to a cordless screwdriver. being the designer he is.................. O.T. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by VacOMatic on 12/05/06 at 12:14pm Hi, Carmine. Yes, I have seen and played with the Pivot Vac. The Linens and things sample was positively choked with gravel and fine dirt, to the point that the filter bin lid, if opened, could not be closed due to rocks jamming in the hinges. Took a minute or so to dig all that stuff out so lids could close. Still, after dumping the rocks and spinning the filter (which dislodged some fine dust, then also dumped), the Pivot Vac moved more air than the Dyson did and had no trouble vacuuming up the whole lot of dumped rocks. As for durability, some of the Dyson parts felt pretty flimsy given the products high price. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/08/06 at 9:14am Another competitor product for the dyson DC16 hand held is the old reliable metro vac line. The product below is specifically marketed for automobiles and is comparably priced as the dyson DC16 and has a 5 year motor warranty. It's corded so it's old fashioned electrical technology. But works like a charm. http://www.metrovacworld.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=metrovac&product_id=VacNBloAuto Dyson does itself a disservice by its packaging of the DC16. Most hand helds are packaged and displayed in boxes that give customers a good sense of the product. Like the B&D pivot vacuum which has almost half of the box cut away so customers get a good look and feel for the product. The DC16 is completely boxed and closed. Not even a see through panel. And many retailers do not display the DC16 for customers. The boxes sit on the shelves closed. Bad dyson marketing and packaging move. For $149, you have to give potential buyers customers something special up close and personal. Not with words. Buyers needs something to touch and feel to reconcile their cognitive dissonance over the $149 price tag for a 3 1/2 pound hand held cleaner that cleans for 5 minutes. I received the dyson marketing message recently about the DC16. I noted that the Canadian dyson site includes a game and drawing to win a free dyson DC16 by correctly answering the questions and luck of the draw. Too bad dyson didn't do the same for the US. At $149 the DC16 is too pricey for my likes and needs. Maybe $99, and I would spring for the product. But I have doubts and fears about the 5 minute run time of the 21.6 Volt Lithium ion batteries. It's not a proven source of power and technology for this application. (IMHO). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by VacOMatic on 12/24/06 at 2:02pm There is yet another powerful hand vac (I just acquired one) made by Filter Stream. Called the DIRT TAMER ULTIMA 2510, it's a wet or dry vac having a 14.8 NiCad battery, a metal screened prefilter and foam or HEPA final filter. Has an accordion bellows crevice tool (very handy for car cleaning), headlight, lo battery light and a few small tools. Can be had for $60 - 70, available on line or at various vac shops. It's like the big brother of the smaller, pricy Brookstone hand vac. The Dirt Tamer moves a huge amount of air compared to most hand vacs (especially the Dyson), is quieter, and its battery runs at least twice as long as Dyson's (10 minutes or so). Cleaning is relatively easy. But the HEPA filter isn't washable and will clog really fast with outdoor use (fortunately they provide a washable foam filter as subsitute). |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Dyson DC18 on 03/18/07 at 12:11am I just heard that the Dyson Root 6 DC16 Handheld Vacuum Cleaner is Amazon's #1 selling Dyson product. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/18/07 at 8:17am Dyson DC18 wrote:
The price may have some bearing on the claim at $149 in addition to consumer buying mentality. Buying and using the DC16 is a way for vacuum consumers to gauge and decide IF the dyson upright (and now canister) may be a worthy purchase for their homes. Especially consumers who read and follow Consumer Reports (which has not published reliability results for dysons YET). Start with an affordable model (if unsatisfied only out of pocket $149) and if satisfied graduate to spending the $400 plus for the more expensive dyson models. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: Dyson DC16 Root 6 Hand Held Bagless Cleaner Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/11/07 at 12:14pm DC16 thread with mention of the Black and Decker Pivot hand held. Carmine D. |
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