Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hey, I need some help picking a vacuum cleaner. Price is not really an issue, but I want to use the vacuum cleaner for these purposes: -pet hair -carpet -wood floor -tile floor I also want the vacuum to be light-weight... Can anybody suggest a good vacuum? Thanks ;) . All the best, tw23

Anjalena wrote:
Personally speaking my friend relayed to me a very similar situation with my own Vax Mach Air - it takes around 3 months before the filters required to be cleaned - (but your situation may involve less or more time) and she uses the tip I've given to many when it comes to washing and drying the filter - hand wash with dish washing liquid or soft detergent but don't use an abrasive brush, just allow to soak in hot water and then (NOT dishwasher liquid as this is very different!) bung the wet filter into a pillowcase AND a terry cotton towel and tie up into a knot before putting it into a tumble dryer on a LOW temp dry program. The towel inside the pillowcase acts as a perimeter between the filter, pillowcase and the drum of your machine. It takes roughly an hour to an hour and a half for the filter to dry off than it would take over a 24 hour period. I know you said your costs were limited, and I generally found myself that my original filter didn't have to be replaced until three years were up.

Personally I don't like rubber blades - too much resistance on fabrics and a nightmare to use on hard flooring - turbine, roller brushes, beater bars - whatever you want to call them - they always work best on hair. Yes you have to clean the rollers, but you would have to do that anyway with an upright vacuum anyway, I find most rubber blades etc remove hair but they also clog up and I spend ages picking the hair off. Bissell had a great hand held vac on the market many years ago that was corded and had a suction only channel with two rubber sides on either side of the dust channel. It seemed to be very popular but I think it was also down to the fact that it was mains corded, thus constant power versus cordless.

edman wrote: Kirbys are very good vacuum cleaners.  They have their place.  I do believe that your experiece(s) are limited.  There are quite a few vacuum cleaners that will create that lift affect.  Take a look at Royal vacuum cleaners.  Their Everlast uprights, formerly called "All Metal" uprights create the same lifting you are talking about.  Eureka's former line, including rebrands for other companies, its spin-offs, plus their Sanitaire line also will give you the same thing on carpeting.

If it works for you,and you like it, that is great.

Mike_W wrote:

Is this the attachment you're referring to, or did you mean the deluxe one (which is going for $71.99. OUCH!):

http://www.amazon.com/Riccar-Handheld-Brush-Standard-Cleaners/dp/B00106EBG2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343777203&sr=8-1&keywords=riccar+turbo

Is that the one that you like better than the Hoover and the Eureka attachments?

As far as cleaning the filters go, that will end up being my job. My son would never do it unless I beat him over the head and forced him to. Heh. And my workers really aren't supposed to do maintenance type things like that... though she might be willing to do it if I asked. But as I'm usually the one who cleans the air conditioner filter and the high velocity fans (which I love my high velocity fans too! though don't blow it directly at you while you're sleeping unless you want to wake up with dry mouth, nose, and eyeballs! *ROFL!!*), I'm sure I'll end up with the job of cleaning the vac filter as well.

But our high velocity fans are short/small... almost like little shop fans... so I can set them up here on my desk and clean them. I've still got a bunch of Q-tips (ear cleaning swabs.. not sure what they're called in the UK) on my desk from cleaning the fan just a few weeks ago. And today I had to pick it up and wipe thick mats of fur off the intake vents from that same fan. My worker saw it and went "EWWWWW!" *sigh* And I totally forgot about the refrigerator! The back has NEVER been cleaned!! I'm surprised it still runs! *faint*

Here, I took a few pics to show you guys. I created an album on my Photobucket account and put the 4 pics in there. Make sure you click the thumbnail so you can see the bigger version. (actually the pics are bigger than what they show here but oh well) I wrote a description under each picture so be sure to read that. It's right under my name, Anjalena. My album with 4 pics for you guys.

Okay, having seen my fan now, how do I use the method you talked about, Mike, with the cut-to-size A/C filter? And where do I find that kind of thing? Please give links if you can.

I do hope to be able to get my WT Air soon, but I have to wait until my student loan stipend comes in for this semester. It should already be in my bank account but it isn't. Blargh!

As far as carpet vs hard flooring, I don't really have a choice. I'm so poor that I have to live in subsidized housing, which means I have to live in what's available. I hate this place! Mostly I hate the landlords but I also hate the apartments. They were built in the '70's and it shows. There's only ONE telephone jack in the whole place (not that apartment is very big, it's pretty small actually) and it's up on the wall in the hallway! With this being the age of the internet, that's pretty damn inconvenient. And they'll add more jacks if you want them, for $25 per jack, but they will not maintain them. They'll only maintain the original jack. For any others, you have to pay the phone company to come in and fix them and they are very expensive! The only thing I like about having no carpet is that it IS easier to clean up messes. Spill a drink, cat pukes on the floor, dog pees on the floor, whatever... it's much easier to clean up wet-type messes on hard flooring. But with hair and dust and dirt... hard flooring shows EVERYTHING! =(

vacmanuk wrote:

Hey Vacmanuk.

Yeah, I'm sure I'll be cleaning mine once a month. It's bad here. But I'll check the filter probably once a week at first to get an idea of how fast it's getting dirty. Thanks for the tip on how to wash it. I won't be drying it that way since I don't have a dryer in my apartment. These little $#%*ty government-subsidized apartments don't have washer/dryer hookups in them at all. But that's the same way that I wash and dry my stuffies. I've got a stuffed bear in my room that I tend to use as a pillow. My "bed" is a couch and I sleep with my head up on the arm of the couch. But it's kinda hard and not comfy, so I use the bear to soften the experience. heh. But when he gets dirty, I throw him in a pillow-case and tie it closed, then throw him in the wash and the dryer. I got that tip on TV somewhere in the distant past. Seems it's a safe way to wash stuffed animals without ruining them. =)

I'll see how much another filter costs and if I have the money anytime in the near future, I'll buy an extra one to use while the first is drying. But vacuuming will probably only happen 2-3 times a week, if that. Trying to get my son to do chores is like trying to motivate a wall to move and my PCA is only here twice a week. And like I mentioned in one of those 4 pictures I linked above, if we have to go to the store or to do laundry or do anything that takes most of our time that day, chores won't get done that day. I'm supposed to have a worker 3 days a week but my current girl is out of university (heh, a little Brit lingo!) for the summer and moved back to live with her parents until school starts again. So she's only near here on Tuesdays and Wednesdays so those are the two days I get a worker. Which means I'm without somebody for 5 days in a row. I'll be glad when her classes start up again. Or I might be getting a new girl soon.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't use a rubber blade on the floor! ACK! Well, I have a rubber broom and it works great but you HAVE to hold it at a certain distance from you to prevent the awful friction resistance. So most of my workers, and my son, just avoid it. But it works better than any other broom I've ever had. I just can't use it myself. I tried to sweep up around the litter boxes a little while ago. The whole thing took me less than 2 minutes. But well before I was done, I was in a lot of pain. Sweeping, especially, just pisses my back off. It must be the position that you have to hold your body in while sweeping that does it. That's all I can figure.

I like the roller brushes but they're really probably not going to help me on this floor. Plus, I loathe having to dig out wound up hair from between all those bristles. It's definitely UNfun! But there's one thing I'm liking about the WT Air, and I don't even have it yet. I watched the little Usage and Maintenance videos that come with the vacuum and the one that shows how to change the belt makes me super happy! I remember having to help my Mom change vacuum belts back when I was growing up and it was infuriating and almost impossible! I like the way the WT Air's system of belt replacement works. Seems like it would be MUCH easier than the old days.

Anjalena wrote: That is the link I was talking about.  It is a much more robust mini turbo attachment and will work fine w/ the HOOVER WT Air.  What I am concerned about are the two pictures of two different models.  There is the regular/standard mini turbo attachment(w/the inset picture of the attachment opened up), then there is the picture w/the deluxe, quieter mini turbo attachment.  For the listed price, w/free s/h, the standard model would be a good price.  If it ends up being the deluxe model, that is a fantastic deal.

The filter I am referring to is a foam cut-to-fit air filter.  It will be frameless foam material, in a plastic package.  It can be found at your local hardware store.  Type in "Cut-to-fit foam air filter" in a search engine to see what it looks like.  If it is foam, then it can be rinsed periodically.  The filter can be attached to the intake side of the coil/cage/grill of the fan.  It looks like the air enters your fan from the side(s).  I attach mine w/twist ties.

The belt, on the WT Air is very easy to change.  Because it is a cogged(has "teeth") belt, it will not have to be changed all that often.  If it was running on carpeting, it could run for approx. ten years w/o wearing out.  Also, because of its cogged design, it will not be as tight as a stretch belt.  That works out great for those of limited strength.  If you run your machine on floors w/the brushroll OFF, the belt should last a long time.  There are those occasions when the belt could become defective and break in a few years. 

vacmanuk wrote:
The risor visor is kind of a "bells & whistle" feature that is useless on this attachment, for cleaning stairs.  Eureka's Risor Visor first showed up on their Corvette vac/ Step Saver hand vacs.  It is still available on their present hand vacuum.  They promoted it as a great feature for cleaning the riser of the stairs.  Hence the name Risor Visor.  Eureka handvac users vacuum the steps of the stairs as usual, but when they wanted to vacuum the risers of the stairs, they would have to hold the vacuum in an awkward position to clean.  What added to the difficulty was the added weight on the hand/wrist. Personally, I did not think it was that difficult.  Eureka solved this problem by opening up the front w/a visor.  When this happened, the user just lifted the hand vac up and down.  There was no awkward position and off balance weight to worry about.. 

Now comes along the mini turbo attachment.  Every company must think of some way to make theirs special.  They put on the risor visor feature.  This is not needed.  There is no weight to the attachment.  All one does is vacuum the stair steps, then, get this, they turn their wrist.  Your wrist is positioned palm up or facing the riser.  It all depends how you are sitting on the stairs.  Actually, you could vacuum the risers w/your palm facing down also.  With this mini turbo attachment connected to a hose, you could even vacuum the risers from left to right by holding the tool sideways.  It is so simple.  Think of the time one saves by not switching the risor-visor on the turbo brush. Bells & Whistles keep manufacturers in business.  If you like it, good for you.  I prefer to have a better-performing mini turbo attachment.

I like how you like to use reviews from people you do not even know.  Do you know their knowledge level regarding vacuum cleaner?  Do you know how/what they clean?  How often they clean?  How dirty their environment is.  Some of the things people say in review are just hilarious.  I say this because I see people who say their vacuum cleaner is junk, because their carpets are not coming clean.  Then I take a look and see  their brushroll belt is broken.  How about people who will say the mini turbo attachment turns slowly.  This is a very simple one.  They do not clean the filters of their bagless vacuum cleaner, for one.  Or, their bag is too full.   They might have debris wrapped around the ends of their brushroll; making it impossible to turn.  There are even going to be shills.  There are going to  be people who honestly believe they are helping others w/their reviews.  If someone is interested in a product, do not base everything of a review, unless you understand where the reviewer is coming from or know his/her experience.  One of the worst comments someone in the market for a vacuum cleaner can say is, "I want to buy brand X, because 20 people said to and very few talked about brand Y".  What people need to do if they read a review is test it themselves.  Anything I say can be tested.  They can take what I say and go try the machine and see if it is true  Example-take a mini turbo attachment and one w/the risor-visor feature.  See for yourself.

Mike_W wrote:
Well, if the link that Anjalena has provided to the Riccar tool - I have that turbo tool - it is the same one they make for MIELE AND SEBO - and its absolutely useless in some cleaning scenarios. Oh yes it does the job well but cleaning the hairs off the thick bristles is a nonsense and time consuming, hence why I suggested the Eureka/Electrolux tool - it has thinner bristles and takes up pet hair in a jiffy - it is also a darn sight smaller and far lighter on the wrist. You might not have lifting difficulties but some people may do and this tool is far heavier than the Eureka one.

Also you may well feel that the risor visor is not needed. I however find it fantastic for cleaning the material on the front of my rear car seats where people brush their feet when getting into the car. The risor visor also makes it easier to clean the dust that sits on the padded fabric under the car seat runners. Of course it isn't always needed which is a lifestyle requirement depending on what you drive - I drive a Kia SUV and it sees a lot of action in fields, thus the car is always dirty and with pets on board it requires a brush roll as opposed to suction only floor head. Miele's car tool set only goes so far but the turbo brush is too bulky and big to get into awkward areas -the  Eureka one is smaller and more compact.

In so far as to review quoting, I'll do what I like thank you very much - after all our view points are what Anjalena are reading into - but they won't know what the vacuum is like until they try it. But I'll add in my experiences to boost my opinion and justification. Again, you may not have pain when you turn your wrist, or fight with a suction hose when it snaps back due to natural suction from a vacuum cleaner when you lift up a conventional turbo tool, but I like versatile cleaning tools that serve a purpose. The Eureka one with the risor visor prevents stress from other design issues like snapping back hoses - it is also fantastic for setting the natural flow of velour curtains or soft furnishings when the risor visor is lifted. See what I mean about versatile? If I have to continually change my hand when I'm cleaning with a hose in a downwards fashion and have to change it up, thus having to put up with hose to the side or at another angle, it is compromising - turbo tools with any design speed up cleaning time. IMHO, the Eureka design is far more efficient.

You guys are like an old married couple, sheesh. *grin*

You both have been incredibly helpful. And guess what? I've listened to both of you and then made my own decision. Vacmanuk is right in that department. Reviews themselves aren't necessarily a bad thing if you use some common sense along with them. If you realize that there will always be a percentage of reviewers who can't be pleased by anything, or got a defective unit, or had a specific situation that this particular unit didn't suit, or didn't understand exactly how it worked or how to maintain it, OR on the other side, they only had to use the unit periodically or situationally and so it always worked perfectly, etc etc. You have to account for that. And then you have the reviewers like you guys who have tested it thoroughly before making an opinion. And there are those who are professionals and know what they're doing (though, depending on the item, might be a very small number of people). The point is that you have to look at more than just the raw numbers. You have to read through the reviews, and also use your common sense to make judgement calls on the reviews. But if you've got hundreds of reviews on an item and the majority (90% or more) are still 5 out of 5 stars, for example, then you probably have a good find. So you put it on the list with your other good finds and you do more research. Why do you think I came here and posted? You guys were PART of my research, not all. Nor were the reviews all of my research.

But I've learned a lot from you guys. I hoped by coming to a vacuum-specific forum, I would get people who were knowledgeable about vacuums and I would get a feedback-based knowledge in that I could ask specific questions and get responses and then question the responses. This was different from reviews since those have static information that is coming from only one perspective and that perspective might not be specific to what I need. So I knew it would be a good learning experience and it has been, despite the drama. =)

You guys, neither of you has to be right or wrong. I think of the world as if we're all looking through our own windows that give us a view of the world. But if my view is different than yours, or yours from his, etc... it might just be because my window is on the 10th floor, or you live further down the street. If I see something different than you, it's just my perspective, ya know? You guys should be friends. You both share a love for the same thing and that should bring you together. Having to fight against each other is only a measure of pride and ego. Being someone who's always had too much pride and ego, I know. I should probably belong to the Pride and Ego forum. *laugh* There have been far too many times when I fought back because I felt a need to be right. So I'm not just saying this to you guys. I'm saying it to me too.

I think as far as the hand tool, you both just have different needs and situations. Doesn't make either of you right or wrong. Just different. But you BOTH have important knowledge about vacuums and vacuuming that is valid and important and helpful. But the in-fighting just makes you seem unprofessional and petty and tends to run your newbies, who need help and guidance, off to somewhere that they might not get such good, experienced information. So that's just something to consider.

Anyway, I'll stop zen-fu'ing you guys here with my pearls of "wisdom" and my blabbity blah blah crap. *laugh* Thank you both, again, for all the information and help! =)

Anjalena - thank you - also please post back here once you do get your new vacuum and let us know how you get on!

vacmanuk wrote:

Thanks Vac! I sure will. =) Well, I'll try to remember. I have some mental disfunctions that severely hamper my short-term memory. The only reason I've remembered to come back here is by keeping the link to this page up on my bookmark toolbar. So I'll keep it there and hope I remember. I'll probably wait a while to see how it really affects things around here... give it time to really work, ya know? But I'll try to remember to come back and let you guys know. You've been so helpful and very sweet.

And Mike hasn't said anything yet. I hope he isn't upset with me for my last message. It might have seemed kinda condescending. I didn't mean it that way. I was afraid both of you might have written back and fussed at me for it.