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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Original Message   Jan 19, 2012 1:58 pm
Just got a press release this a.m.  Dyson's introducing two new canister "ball" vacs -- the compact, 12 lb. DC38 and the 15  lb. full-sized DC39 which is available in two versions, the "Multi-purpose" and the "Animal" .   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/01/19/james-dyson-unveils-new-vacuum-cleaner-built-on-a-mini-football-115875-23706045/

Somewhat simillar to prior models, design alterations have made them a little more eyecatching but then you really do want your product to be sexy if you're asking for the kind of money they want.  The DC38 and the DC39 Multi-purpose price at 299.99 pounds in the UK ($464 American approx.) .  The Animal version of the DC39 sells at 399.99 pounds ($618 American approx.) .  No matter the price, the proof is in the puddng.  Can they clean?

The design revamp is rather low-slung so my first question is do they travel over door sills easily. Also, I looked hard but neither read or heard mention of onboard tool storage. The introductory Animal canister model does not have an electrically driven power nozzle but a turbo nozzle that can be mechanically stopped via a trigger on the hose handle.  The "Multi-purpose" employs a new spin on its straight suction floor tool.  It adjusts automatically for hard flooring and rugs.  Though I haven't seen it in action other than on video its at least refreshing to something different in design than the current standard tools turn up.  Dirty capacity for the full-size models is two litres.  The compact machine holds a little over half a litre.

http://www.dyson.co.uk/vacuums/ball/default.asp

Venson

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vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #1   Jan 21, 2012 3:11 pm

Well Venson, the only way I guess is to check it out for yourself, or wait for anyone to show their own on You Tube.


Manufacturer's Description

Dyson DC38 Multi Floor
Dyson DC38 Multi Floor lightweight Dyson Ball cylinder vacuum cleaner for every floor type
Technical details:
  • Patented Radial Root Cyclone technology for no loss of suction.
  • Lighter to pull across different floor surfaces than any other vacuum.
  • Ball technology for improved manoeuvrability.
  • Engineered for reduced noise levels.
  • 5 year guarantee – parts and labour.

DC38 Multi Floor is an ultra-compact Dyson cylinder vacuum with Ball technology for greater manoeuvrability. Wheeled vacuums can be awkward – heavy to pull, head the wrong way and collide with obstacles. A Dyson Ball vacuum cleans without the awkward moves, turning on the spot. DC38 Multi Floor also has a central steering mechanism for greater control. The pivot point is located near the centre of the machine, so it can make tighter turning circles and more easily follow the user’s path. The lightweight body, low-friction bearings, smooth undercarriage and ball underside make the machine lighter to pull across different floor surfaces than any other vacuum.

Dyson cyclones capture more dirt than any other. DC38 Multi Floor has Radial Root Cyclone technology with remodelled airways to maximise suction power. Like all other Dyson vacuums, DC38 Multi Floor doesn’t lose suction as you clean. There are no bags to replace and the lifetime filters are washable, so there are no extra costs.

DC38 Multi Floor has been engineered for reduced noise levels with no compromise in performance. The essential components are located inside the acoustically treated ball.

Dyson DC38 Multi Floor
Patented Dyson technology

Dyson engineers are constantly testing and inventing, trying to find new ways to make their technology work better. As they work, they file patent applications to protect their inventions from copycat manufacturers. That’s why the only place you’ll find Dyson technology is inside a Dyson machine.

DC38 Multi Floor uses the following patented Dyson technology:
New Radial Root Cyclone technology

Ordinary vacuum cleaners rely on bags to trap dust and dirt. As you use them, the tiny holes in the bag clog up with particles of dust. This restricts the flow of air, so the vacuum cleaner loses suction.

Dyson vacuum cleaners don’t rely on bags to trap dust and dirt. Instead they use cyclone technology, which spins the air at incredibly high speeds. The cyclones inside a Dyson vacuum cleaner generate centrifugal forces many thousands of times the force of gravity. Dust, dirt and pet hair are flung out of the airflow and straight into the bin. No bag. No loss of suction.

Dyson has been continually refining cyclone vacuum technology since inventing it more than 20 years ago. DC38 has new Radial Root Cyclone technology. Reconfigured air channels and improved flow efficiency reduce turbulence and preserve air pressure, so that the inner cyclones can extract more microscopic particles. These refinements help remove more dirt, dust, allergens and pet hair from the airflow.

DC38 Multi Floor includes:
Ball technology

Dyson Ball vacuum cleaners use Ball technology to overcome the steering limitations of fixed wheels. They ride on a ball, which turns on the spot so you can steer with ease, changing direction with just a turn of the wrist. The ball also holds the heaviest component (the motor) – positioned towards the base for a lower centre of gravity and greater stability. Even the cable rewind system is located inside the ball – it has been miniaturised to be smaller and lighter, without compromising the cable length of 5m. The machine moves easily around obstacles, and the ball’s smooth surface means that it doesn’t dig into carpet pile.

Mini Flat Out head

Super low profile for easier cleaning under very low furniture.

Reduced noise levels – ball engineering

No compromise in cyclonic performance. Essential components are located inside the acoustically treated ball.

Lightweight body

DC38 Multi Floor weighs just 6.5kg.

Clear bin lets you see when it needs emptying

The bin on a Dyson vacuum cleaner is transparent so you can see when it needs emptying – and just how much dust, dirt and pet hair your new Dyson machine has picked up.

Captures allergens, expels cleaner air

Dyson cyclones capture microscopic particles down to 0.5 microns in size including mould, pollen and bacteria.

Extra tools

As well as the Mini Flat Out head, DC38 Multi Floor also comes with a Combination tool with a debris nozzle that converts to a brush tool for dusting, and a Stair tool.

No extra costs

Other vacuum cleaners are still designed to need replacement bags and filters – and the cost soon adds up. Over 5 years, you could end up having to spend up to £175. Dyson vacuum cleaners don’t need bags and have lifetime washable filters, so there are no extra costs to worry about.

5 year parts and labour guarantee

Your Dyson vacuum cleaner is likely to take a few knocks and bashes during everyday use – but that’s nothing compared to what Dyson puts its machines through during testing and development. All Dyson vacuum cleaners undergo a lengthy and rigorous testing programme. That’s why DC38 Multi Floor comes with a free 5 year guarantee – parts and labour.

Dyson DC38 Multi Floor
What’s in the box?
  • 1 x DC38 Multi Floor cylinder vacuum cleaner
  • 1 x Operating manual
  • 1 x Quick start guide
  • 1 x Mini Flat Out head
  • 1 x Stair tool
  • 1 x Combination tool
  • 1 x Product registration card
  • 1 x Free 5 year guarantee form (available in UK only)


Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #2   Jan 21, 2012 3:57 pm
vacmanuk wrote:

Well Venson, the only way I guess is to check it out for yourself, or wait for anyone to show their own on You Tube.


Hi vacmanuk,

Even though I've just been reading of a Dyson theft ring here in the U.S., I'm prepared to let the perceived value of the brand rest in the hands of others for the moment and will have to wait to hear what others have to say.  This year's mad money has to be invested in more important areas.  I'm loaded for bear as far as cleaining goes but the laundry's another story.

Besides which, thinking all-purpose, the full-size DC39 only has a turbo-nozzle.  The Dyson canister most current in CR's test ratings, the DC23 Turbine Head, got very good scores for surface cleaning and pet hair pick up but fell way short of the mark as far as deep cleaning goes.  That is not an issue if you know what you're buying -- and why -- but a possible problem for those banking their expectations on a brand name alone. 

By the way, it's claimed that one out of every four homes in the UK has a Dyson in the house.  True?

Best,

Venson

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #3   Jan 21, 2012 5:12 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi vacmanuk,

Even though I've just been reading of a Dyson theft ring here in the U.S., I'm prepared to let the perceived value of the brand rest in the hands of others for the moment and will have to wait to hear what others have to say.  This year's mad money has to be invested in more important areas.  I'm loaded for bear as far as cleaining goes but the laundry's another story.

Besides which, thinking all-purpose, the full-size DC39 only has a turbo-nozzle.  The Dyson canister most current in CR's test ratings, the DC23 Turbine Head, got very good scores for surface cleaning and pet hair pick up but fell way short of the mark as far as deep cleaning goes.  That is not an issue if you know what you're buying -- and why -- but a possible problem for those banking their expectations on a brand name alone. 

By the way, it's claimed that one out of every four homes in the UK has a Dyson in the house.  True?

Best,

Venson


HI Venson
Best not to always believe what CR say - if they're anything like Which UK independent testing, they leave a lot to be desired - but I know and see your point. Any vacuum cleaner's successor where the previous model has been poor will always have scrutiny - time will tell.

In terms of Dyson models being in UK homes - most probably - they were originally British and well, you know what the UK are like with their conservative beliefs. But then I know Dyson owners that still have bagless, cordless Black and Decker dust busters that are best well over 10 years old. We don't have a car industry anymore or a large appliance industry where British products like washing machines are being made, so a lot of buyers do still believe Dyson are the best determined by their marketing, claims and advertising and most owners I know don't really care that their Dyson is made in China given that their computers and everything else seems to be made there too. But then whilst that statement bear some truths, Hoover claim that their bagged Purepower upright is the Best selling, Vax claim to have ousted Dyson as a number one seller (*no doubt due to TTI and Dirt Devil U.S beforehand.) and I know what I prefer and it isn't made in Britain! The only appliance I have that's British is our old Kenwood Chef table mixer.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #4   Jan 21, 2012 6:02 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
. . . The only appliance I have that's British is our old Kenwood Chef table mixer.



Wow!  That's the thing I've been looking for.  I can't keep up with Kitchen-Aid's price point rise and also its countertop footprint.  Kenwood's compact Prospero -- a real stunner -- might well be the ticket but it isn't on the market here.

As for the turbo nozzles, I have used several versions over the years.  They're more or less if all you need to is a light clean.  Due to the nature of their operation they need x-amount supply of incoming air keep the turbine turning the brushroll at a reasonable rate.  That's why they have vents.  Block the vents and rely on air coming through the brush chamber and they begin to stall. However, if your rugs are light and low pile and not subject to heavy traffic you might get by.

Just to mention, Miele cans usually only a score of good for carpet cleaning in CR's test.  The Calisto ranked "very good" this trip.  Why?  They Calisto they tested came with the electric SEB228 nozzle and not the SEB217 that the other Miele's with PNs tested with.  Considering the price of the brand, why one standard power nozzle?  That I don't know but I do know it makes a difference.

Venson

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #5   Jan 21, 2012 9:09 pm
Well, I dont know about the Miele's case since none of the canisters in the UK come with a powered nozzle bar a very highly priced stand alone model. I guess UK buyers are a bit more savvy when it comes to Miele purchases - most know they can buy optional accessories rather than buying an "exclusive" model that comes with a special nozzle.

Which said that the Sebo turbo nozzle did poorly on pet hair pick up, yet I find its wonderful compared to the bulkier air driven Miele floor head. Just goes to show that real time ownership is better than industry testing.
vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Two new vacs from Dyson . . .
Reply #6   Jan 22, 2012 9:10 am
Venson wrote:
Wow!  That's the thing I've been looking for.  I can't keep up with Kitchen-Aid's price point rise and also its countertop footprint.  Kenwood's compact Prospero -- a real stunner -- might well be the ticket but it isn't on the market here.

As for the turbo nozzles, I have used several versions over the years.  They're more or less if all you need to is a light clean.  Due to the nature of their operation they need x-amount supply of incoming air keep the turbine turning the brushroll at a reasonable rate.  That's why they have vents.  Block the vents and rely on air coming through the brush chamber and they begin to stall. However, if your rugs are light and low pile and not subject to heavy traffic you might get by.

Just to mention, Miele cans usually only a score of good for carpet cleaning in CR's test.  The Calisto ranked "very good" this trip.  Why?  They Calisto they tested came with the electric SEB228 nozzle and not the SEB217 that the other Miele's with PNs tested with.  Considering the price of the brand, why one standard power nozzle?  That I don't know but I do know it makes a difference.

Venson


Personally Venson, the Prospero is ideal if you have a small kitchen, small baking needs. It replaces the Cuisine model (see below), a predecessor table mixer which was supposed to replace the much loved "Chefette," a hand mixer with a mechanically geared moving bowl and stand. We had a Cuisine and it was awful. Kept breaking down in its gear box and the mixing performance whilst good wasn't any better than chucking the mix into our old Kenwood food processor with the steel blade. In the end I had to buy another Kenwood Chef. Of course they are much bigger than the newer Prospero but at least you can get plenty of spares and you can custom build the old Chef to match your needs with attachments that are universal and cheaper to buy if you know where to look.








As for Dyson -some interesting reading here - http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/dyson-the-corridors-of-brain-power-2266760.html
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