Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

A man who obviously knows what he's talking about appreciates the incredible design, incredible performance, and excellent quality of the DC23: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9W6tCRSII Be sure to check out part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rZHfUgyqI

Hertz wrote:

BTW, an incredible dyson DC23 for $600 recently was rated 17 out of 27 canisters by Consumer Reports with a decent score of 61.  Dyson's DC22 for $700 came in 25th and appears to be scrubbed in the USA rating a dismal showing of 53.  It was impugned by CR for only meriting a fair test score for its cleaning results on carpets and pet hair.

Carmine D.

PS:  Part I of the video is just a narrative about the power head in stand alone mode.  No live demo of the vacuum and power head in real world use.  Just a lot of words and removing the brush roll and showing how to cut off the hair and rug wrap.  The demo-er has a DC27 beside this "used" DC23 which he purchased.  Obviously he likes and appreciates dysons.  But not enough to buy them at their new prices.    Smart man but like he said, he didn't get the 5 year warranty.

Hertz wrote:
As per usual Hertz, using someone elses video to prove points. And what lousy points this floor head has. It isnt as good or as well designed as the Sebo Et-1/Felix floor head or the older ET-H which Dyson have copied with the twin roller on a central pin idea. Wanna know why?

1) The underside may well be "suitable for hard floors," as this tester says but with so many hard plastic grids on the floor base, I just wouldn't trust it on my marble!
2) The brush roll should be easier to remove = unlike removing two screws which the tester convieniently forlorns with the use of a dime instead of a screw driver, the side hook that locks onto the side of the brush has been copied from SEBO's Felix. The Felix roller is also easier to remove by the touch of a button and not screws. The SEBO floor head also has a protected motor and shuts off when there's a clog.
3) The width of the floor head may well get under beds but the rear circular mounts on the side/not the central wheel underneath can actually get stuck. SEBO's wheels are smaller.
4) Smaller castors as the tester puts it at the front of the floor head can clog up with dirt - these wheels /castors are also used on many cheaper air driven turbo brush floor heads that have to be picked out to clean up if the owner doesnt bother.
5) Is the DC23 motorhead available for all Dyson vacuums with a plug? The Sebo floor heads are - suitable for all of the SEBO vacuums that have an electrical point at the base of their body.

CarmineD wrote:

Anyone who trusts consumer reports and their ignorant, biased methods of testing is probably beyond saving; I guess that's what a Miele and a Dyson have in common as well, being inferior to a Kenmore machine, as per the bought-out consumer dumb xxx reports. What a load of crap. Sure, he purchased it used, not everyone has the luxury of buying a new machine, but that further proves my point in that he's, and I quote "NEVER" had a problem w/ it. Ever. The video shows the incredible engineering that goes into it, such as being able to easily snip away hairs, the fact is shuts off automatically - my Miele SEB 217 doesn't even do that, xxxxxxxxx, and the fact you can easily spot a clog and *VERY* easily remove it. Not to mention the build quality is a good 10 times of what you could get at Best Buy or Sears.


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vacmanuk wrote:

It's actually more like what lousy perception you have man. So many plastic grids? Dude, the wheels are THERE to keep any scratching from happening. THey're actually high quality wheels, and sure they may clog w/ dirt, but if you clean take care of your stuff and have half a brain, they won't be a problem, just like the ones on my Miele/WesselWerks SEB 217 aren't, and in reality are an EXCELLENT addition, love 'em on my hardwood floors. The brushroll has to be easier to remove?! That has to be the dumbest, lousiest point bar none; TWO screws dude, TWO, if you have trouble counting that high then I can see why that could be a problem, either that or it's just being pathetically lazy. Given you're picking the most insignificant, moot points to call "lousy" only proves how hard of a time you have trying to actually say anything bad, and proves just how well design this Dyson machine is. Gee, let's see here man, a second opinion is what any respectable person would offer up as a means to back up an argument or prove a point, and the fact this guy has much praise for this machine just goes to prove what an awesome machine Dyson manufactures.

Hertz wrote:

On your first point [trust for Consumer Reports]:  About 20 MILLION faithful US readers per month every month by recent authoritative estimates.  On the second point, [dyson and MIELE being inferior to Kenmore] you can't pair MIELE and dyson together in ratings by CR with Kenmore.  Why?  MIELE vacuums score much better by CR than dysons in Nov 2010.  CR rates 3 MIELE uprights and 3 MIELE canns in the top 10 and/or 12 vacuum product line ups.  All with respectable scores that are comparable to the top/best rated CR vacuum models/brands.  CR also rates 2 MIELE models, one upright and one cann, as recommended buys for vacuum consumers.  Dyson does not rate any vacuums in the top 10 in Nov 2010 reviews and sadly NEVER ever has.  The FACT is dyson has never received a recommended buy by CR for any of its models in 8 plus years of trying, let alone 2 models one upright and one canister simultaneously like MIELE.  For an avid dyson fan like yourself, these FACTS must be difficult and even impossible for you to understand and accept.  The term in psychology is denial.  No doubt the reason you feel compelled to berate and begrudge CR despite its faithful readership and following.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Poster does the same with DC23 canister video as the power head video.  Talks words for 10 and half minutes without ever turning the vacuum on and using it. 

Carmine D.

Hertz wrote:
Hey xxxxxx, you trying to tell me that removing a brush roll by two screws is easier than pressing a button release? 

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This thread is starting to go in the wrong direction.  Let's watch the language and name-calling.

Mike W.
Moderator

Mike_W wrote: Apologies Mike but Isnt it about time you did something about members on here who keep posting endless videos from You Tube (which they dont make themselves) which are designed to antagonize your members as well as the obvious endless posts on this forum?

Spoke to Dyson UK this morning and they confirm that the DC23 Motorhead on its own weighs 2.2kg. The SEBO ET-1 weighs 1.8kg. For an older machine floor head, this is pretty impressive and isn't less of a strain to pick up off the floor.

vacmanuk wrote:

Vacmanuk:

The good get better.  The better become better and the best rise to the top.  SEBO is one of the best. 

Carmine D. 

vacmanuk wrote:

Only a whiny little bastard would complain about such an issue, and it's easier then my Miele SEB 217. Also, a button release is more complicated than two simple mundane screws, you do the logic you frickin' joke.

vacmanuk wrote:

Dude, WHAT? Seriously, don't you get that less weight is worse for a powerhead? Maybe the agitation would make up for it, but I'm willing to wager my DC-14 alone on the likely fact the Dyson head cleans better.

Hertz wrote:

Sorry Hertz, weight isn't a factor.  The power nozzle can weigh one pound or ten but pull of suction, air flow and brushing/agitation action are all that basically matter.  Actually I set the height of my power nozzle up just a notch to allow the cleaner to lift the rug in the hope of enhancing the agitation process.  Old school thinking I know, but I like the result.  I also think it might make cleaning a little less laborious for the PN's motor.

Venson

Hertz wrote:

Have to do better than that offer to get any takers.  Don't know many bettors willing to take a new DC14, let alone a pallet pieces one, for proving you soooo wrong.  Good way to keep from getting bettors to take you on.  Give them something of little or no value that they don't want when you lose.  Like stealing new dysons and trying to fence.  Who really wants them now?

Carmine D.

Hertz wrote:
This is Hertz's last post on this website.  He will no longer be able to involve himself in these topics.  I tend to give people opportunity to change, but then there is a point when things need to be taken care of.  Use this as an example of how to behave, or not behave, on this forum.  If you are going to make an issue, you to will not be allowed back.  It is okay to disagree, tell someone they are wrong, "push" their favorite, but no member should be name-calling using offensive language, etc.

Let's not have anymore discussion about this.  Move on.

Mike W.
Moderator

vacmanuk wrote:
Any member is allowed to post YouTube videos, as well as other links.  I believe that you have posted YouTube videos also.  People are going to sometimes have alot of "passion" for a  topic, but that is okay.  What is not okay is when members get into calling others names or using inappropriate language for this board.  On the receiving end, members need to also be responsible for how they react to the posts.  Yo.u can choose to not respond.

BTW, I did catch your other, similar comments, w/additions, on the other thread.  I will be sending you a private message soon.

Mike W.
Moderator

Mike_W wrote:
The postings I have put haven't been designed to antagonise other members from previous posts I've made to prove a point. Something that Hertz had previously done and was also found out by other members on this forum who have visited or may be members of other vacuum cleaner forums. I came here to virtually speak with other vacuum cleaner collectors and to share experiences. Hertz however really rubbed me up the wrong way and it wasn't fair to other members on here, either who have probably felt similar.

Mike_W wrote:

Since you have gone public here with your thoughts, I'll add my 2 cents too.  Your answer as an option is a reasonable choice IMHO if one is a saint.  More than likely if the poster who is the butt of the mock doesn't respond, you probably won't do anything at all here but let it go.  Maybe as you said giving a second chance by waiting until the culprit does it again.  With time, the culprit usually does.  Even worse since he's gotten away with lesser before.  But you've forgotten the previous instance [s] and are still giving a second, third, and fourth plus chances.  How do we know when you started to keep track?  Sadly most here are sinners who are still trying.  Responding in kind to the poster/name calling/insults is more a rational and human reaction.  And it then forces YOU the Moderator to take some action.  As a generual rule, the one who goes second and responds in kind gets your attention real quickly like and then you take action quickly.  This is more so than with the initiator of the personal/professional attack who gets a pass [ a second chance as you call it ].  

Carmine D.

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