Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Attchment. More info here http://www.dyson.co.jp/vacuums/groom/ Looks very interesting

It's nice that the brush is self cleaning, but I couldn't tell if there's any way to replace the brush itself.   The utility of the brush kind of depends on the dog breed and how long the fur is.  I use a similar brush on my dog, but I just vacuum the hair off the tines.  The brush goes for around $5 at Walmart.  How much is the Dyson attachment? 

Hello Acerone:

Dyson makes some fine and nifty looking and functioning tools but the problem is the exorbitant cost.

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:
Looks dead cool but there must be a mechanism that pushes the hair off into the dust channel. I'm assuming this is why there is a double wall between that and the dust channel at the back?



Ah! I have been answered by my own question. I dont know how I got onto the link but I just saw a user video of a golden Labrador being brushed. The central part of the brush on the base has a rectangular hole that opens up once the hair is retracted. That's how the fur gets sucked up! The spines are metal pickers just like those off a dog brush. All I need to do now is look for my 35mm to 32mm adaptor and then order this part!

Wow, Dyson really makes some of the best designed tools. Ever. Realistic videos here: http://www.dyson.co.jp/vacuums/groom/#dgt_NoFit_ModSelect=dgt_NoFit_Cylinder

Finally the tool has hit the UK.

See YT video from vintagehoover:

In use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baq1P3kyFfM

Talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N-rpLqKhrU

vacmanuk wrote:

Good video, thanks Vacmanuk.  If I'm correct the 4 legged furry friend is an English lab which sheds year around, more frequently and in amount in warmer climates.  Not sure the young lady is a dog owner and/or a lab owner, particularly English breed.  Why?  She would have demo'ed the tool on the lab's chest and undershoulders.  This area from my personal observation of labs, particularly English breed, has the longest fur and more likely to easily shed.  Had she done so, her tool demo would have been better, IMHO.  Also, I would have preferred to see the actual quantity of pet fur in the bin that is vacuumed off the lab with one, two, and three or more passes of the same area.  Again, particularly for the lab's under side for the shoulders and chest areas.  It's not about the design and function of the tool, but also the time required to do the best job.  Comparing a typical suction tool and vacuum with the dyson tool and vacuum would show which is actually best both for performance and time.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
The links that I have given are from a press launch that is rather informal. Of course you can see that from the links I've provided. In one part of the video you can clearly see the way she is brushing the dog and the fur collected as it spins into the cyclone bin. Frankly I have no time for Dyson products unless it actually makes a lot of good sense - and in this respect = the dog groomer tool is a work of engineering simplicity. Quite why it's never been thought of before is a mystery. I've a feeling though that due to its button at the top for the hose connection that it won't have a friction fit design. However I'm prepared to try one out to see if it will fit on 32mm tubing regardless of the pip lock button.

vacmanuk wrote:

Not a big demand, Vacmanuk.  Despite the growing number of pet owners in the USA, almost 80 million [not sure how many are lab owners, let alone English breed tho American labs(short haired) are very popular], I didn't know any owners who vacuumed their 4 legged furry friends, let alone daily as I did.  Despite all the various and sundry tools I used, the best was even simpler than dyson's: an old fashioned soft plastic hoover crevice tool.  Worked fine.  If I wanted to groom, I just lightly ran the tool over the dog's fur.  If I wanted to clean the dander and dry dead skin, I put the tool end right on the dog.  While fur is the biggest problem for pet owners and homes, the white powdery dander is the problem for the furry pets.  Causes itching and scratching.  The latter was the reason I vacuumed my English yellow lab daily.  She was also epileptic.  The various health remedies for dander and ticks had bad side effects for her.  They were triggers for her seisures.  Daily vacuuming was the best and cheapest solution. 

Carmine D.

See more now at: http://www.dyson.co.uk/vacuums/groom/

The tool is available for use with most Dyson vacuums except the DC01 range. Tool has click button release for the more modern vacs in the Dyson range. However there would be ways around this as my old DC01 could use 32 mm Hoover tools with the use of an adaptor.

vacmanuk wrote:

Interestingly Vacmanuk, all the various videos demo'ing the new dyson pet groomer, where a dyson vacuum is in view, it's always a DC24.  Always.  Did you notice that in all the the 8-9 videos including dyson's web site videos?

Depending on the price, dyson would do well to market this pet grooming tool to the pet industry/other vacuum makers for more pervasive sales.  The tool is best suited for vacuums with suction controls IMHO to regulate power with the tool usage depending on the breed of dog and fur.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

I "vacuumed" both the and the dog I had. The essentials indeed are that the suction be low, just enough to suck up loosened fur, and that the machine is quiet. Otherwise, you'll find your pet freaks when you try.

I never went for anything elaborate. The Filter Queen I had a simple round tool with soft plastic teeth and my cat loved it. (Eureka actually had the same thing for a time that it promoted for pet grooming.) Later down the line, I'd give the dog a going over with the bare floor side of my Electrolux flip tool. It did the job well enough and he liked it so much that he flopped onto the floor waiting every time I turned the cleaner on. Both he and the cat appeared to like the feel of the air moving through their fur. Venson

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine, I really don't think it matters what model they are using it on. For other markets its probable that the DC25 is probably a new model. Dyson won't market it to other brands but I'm pretty sure all owners will probably try and buy the tool and try to make it work.

vacmanuk wrote:

Vacmanuk, I think the vacuum/model matters with this tool and all pet tools.  Lower air watts of DC24 work better with this pet grooming tool than higher suction, IMHO.  This is the reason I say the tool works best with a vacuum that has suction controls.  Pet owners may buy and use this tool independent from owning a dyson vacuum but it depends on the price.  In the UK it's 40 british pounds.  Not sure what the price will be in the US market.  As SEVERUS points out here, a $5 pet tool from Wal*Mart serves the same purpose and probably just as well for his needs.  Pet stores/catalogues saturate the US market with pet grooming tools similar to the one Venson references.  Price includes adapters for button and/or force fit for $10-$20.  These work well depending on the vacuum used in concert with them.  Even vacuum stores in the USA sell such pet grooming tools where markets and clientele warrant.  I never did.  But if a vacuum customer specifically asked, I gifted or sold for a small price a Kirby tool, much like the one Venson references.  Work well when and if used regularly for the pet.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
But what about a vacuum that has an air outlet slider on the handle if it doesn't have variable suction? Surely you'll get a slower rate of suction then? We have pet tools in the UK too, the most effective being the wide Lint types with lint patches on either side like this:









Now, with the first tool I find it incredibly tuff to remove collected fur and frustrating, especially when it constantly sticks on the lint felt pad and clogs the main dust channel.
The second one is better, but it also clogs because the pet hair twists around the plastic tufts on this round brush. Either way you're going to be cleaning off the pet hair collected. With the Dyson tool, regardless of suction control you dont have to effectively touch the fur or hair collected.

Thirdly, with most Dysons that have a 1200 to 1300 watt motor *by UK spec, the Pet Groomer doesn't need a strong suction control to suck up the fur. Granted stronger suction may indeed carry the fur faster through to the tube into the bin, thus not impeding suction.

vacmanuk wrote:

Hi,

The round tool in the middle is nearly the same style tool as the Filter Queen piece I used on my cat 30 years ago. Yes, you did have to clean it as you went but it did a great job. Cleaning it only meant freeing any fur caught on the tools teeth so it could be caught in the machines air stream. As for suction level, it is a serious issue. It has to be low and the sound relatively quiet. I have not seen a dog or cat yet that will allow you to groom them in this fashion if they feel the least bit frightened. Are there actually no Dysons with speed or suction level adjustments? I noticed in the image of the pet owner using the Dyson tool on her dog that the vacuum was nowhere in sight.

Care is necessary as grooming is sort of quality time for owner and pet. There have been earlier spins on this idea and still around that use extension hoses to allow more distance between the animal and the vacuum.

https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/petvac/https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/petvac/

http://www.1seenontvstore.com/pet-buddy.html

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=20912

For all the effort, sometimes it's just as well to do it the old-fashioned way.

Venson

vacmanuk wrote:

Hi Vacmanuk:

I come in on the same side as Venson on pet grooming tools.  A lot are available.  All work well.  All are very inexpensive.  Dyson's latest for pets is nifty BUT like all things dyson is it worth the price? $89!  Will pet owners buy? WRT not getting up close and personal with pet hair using dyson's tool, as an advantage for the price, I disagree.  Pet owners get up close and personal with their furry friends all the time.  It's inevitable.  Even my dear wife who was allergic to the lab's dander and fur, suffered for 12 years to enjoy her furry friend.  And with no regrets.

I consider suction regulators, Vacmanuk, which is what you described, as a simplistic suction control.  I used a HOOVER Swingette [from the 70's] with 800 Watts and the crevice tool to groom/clean my English yellow lab which is a twin in appearance to the ones in the dyson videos.  Worked fine.  Better than all the others I tried and used.   After 12 years, you try all of them for an English yellow lab.  Most of the loose pet fur came off onto the crevice tool without any suction at all needed.  Just static electricity.  I did what Venson describes.  Undid the hose end from the crevice tool and vacuumed it off.  Since my lab was spooked by the noise of a DC30 in a video would run away from home when she heard the gawdawful ratcheting noise of a DC07, the relatively low noise level of the HOOVER swingette worked well.  I used paper bag inserts in the cloth. I could fill it up in a few days with fur and dander.  Low suction of the Swingette by today's standards worked well with the crevice tool.  The paper bag inside the cloth muffled the vacuum sound too.  Especially in the basement and/or garage where it's closed in.  Noise level is elavated by the tunnel effects of these areas.

Interestingly Dr. Foster and Dr. Smith, veterinarians and icons in the pet industry in the USA for 20 years, have and continue to promote and sell exclusively BISSELL vacuums, rug cleaners and solutions, and pet tool products for their pet owners in the USA.  One of the pet tools Venson posted form the Fr. Foster/Smith catalogue retails for $25.  About what I would call the high end price wise of a pet grooming tool for pet owners.  Beyond that price and I believe pet lovers lose interest.  Even avid 4 legged furry pet friend lovers.  One of the reasons I suggest that dyson market this new nifty tool to the pet grooming industry to increase sales. 

Carmine D. 

Hi guys,

I'm throwing in a link to a review -- with a punch line no less.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/11/what-its-like-to-vacuum-a-dog/

The picture of the dog alone is worth it.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Good review Venson with interesting comments too.  Thanks for posting.  $89.  Staggering!

Carmine D.

It would not surprise me that Dyson will only market the tool for use on their vacuums unlike Morphy Richards' Spillmaster that isn't actually all that good! Comes with many adaptor attachments suitable to fit for all vacuums.

It depends on what kind of dog you have, what condition it is in, and what you want done to it, (what kind of hair cut you want), how long it will take, if it is matted, or if it has fleas or ticks.







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Just received this email from dyson with the heading:  Dyson's latest invention.  Be the first to own it! 

I thought well here it is finally the contra rotating washer is back again, or better yet the waterless dish washer, or maybe even the most recent speculated plug-in kitchen appliances.  No, none of those.  At $90 a pop, I don't think so. 

Carmine D.

 

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