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M00seUK
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Dyson Digital Slim
Original Message Jul 19, 2010 5:58 pm |
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Here's the details of a trademark that Dyson has filed for a to-be-launched project, the 'Digital Slim':- http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2552353 As usual, the trademark covers a multitude of product categories. Personally, I'd reckon the most likely candidate is a 'slim' upright vacuum, with a 'digital' motor. Dyson have used the 'slim' name before - on the DC18. The upright range has long been missing a product with digital motor. I would also be good if by slim, they mean as thin in profile as the DC03 - which could be hung on the wall and take up next to no space inside a storeage cupboard:-
The major downside was it's small, weedy motor. But if replaced with a similar model using a digital motor, it wouldn't have that same issue.
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #8 Jul 20, 2010 2:36 pm |
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Hi Vacmanuk, interesting comments. When I first brought a Dyson cleaner, I was offered the choice of the DC03 or DC04. I went with the DC04 as it was more traditional looking (for a Dyson) and the clear bin was bigger. I don't have any direct experience with the DC03, but it certainly sounds like many people suffered problems, back in the day. The review Carmine quotes from mentions problems with wand / handle - this is the same part used on the DC04 and I too had this issue - although it was quickly replaced by Dyson for a new, improved, part.
I can't personally see Dyson going down the 'budget bargain' pricing, as least on the current watch. 'More affordable' - yes, but price themselves too low and they'd risk diluting their status as an aspirational, high-end brand.
The DDM has typically been reported as being more noisey that a standard motor. If this product *does* use a digital motor (seems likely), I wonder it it would be the full size (as used in the AirBlade) or the smaller version (as used in the handhelds). Dyson will not fail if it provides cheaper pricing. They are not a company in my mind who provide premium built products; they have always prided themselves in engineering and design. Their products could be a lot better made if "premium" was really at the top of their requirements.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #10 Jul 21, 2010 7:24 am |
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And what market is dyson trying to target with this machine? Is the ddm reliable? how can dyson justify the extra cost over a machine thats half the price and does the same cleaning? I just dont get their philosophy in this economic enviroment. MOLE
HI MOLE:
It's all about marketing. Sir James has successfully altered [some] peoples' thinking when it comes to vacuum purchases. He's made people buy vacuums at premium prices to products based on emotions rather than practicality. He took a page from Steve Jobs and apple. How's that working out for Jobs, apple and the iPhone4? Carmine D.
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Hertz
Joined: Jan 31, 2010
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #11 Jul 21, 2010 10:40 pm |
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HI MOLE: It's all about marketing. Sir James has successfully altered [some] peoples' thinking when it comes to vacuum purchases. He's made people buy vacuums at premium prices to products based on emotions rather than practicality. He took a page from Steve Jobs and apple. How's that working out for Jobs, apple and the iPhone4? Carmine D. My 8 year + old mac is still being supported and running w/o any viruses thus a FAR more quality and intelligent purchase than any Windows machine. It's working out great. You don't have to upgrade even as 1/3 as often as a windows machine, and yet it's still FAR more efficient and better designed/stable, reliable, and secure. Similar to Dyson; the point is lest cost to the user, easier to use design, and great performance. Yes, they're premium priced, but worth it if you want better quality (besides Kirby and such).
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #13 Jul 22, 2010 10:47 pm |
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My 8 year + old mac is still being supported and running w/o any viruses thus a FAR more quality and intelligent purchase than any Windows machine. It's working out great. You don't have to upgrade even as 1/3 as often as a windows machine, and yet it's still FAR more efficient and better designed/stable, reliable, and secure. Similar to Dyson; the point is lest cost to the user, easier to use design, and great performance. Yes, they're premium priced, but worth it if you want better quality (besides Kirby and such). Ugh. Dont compare an Apple to a Dyson. You have no idea. Dyson reliability is below par in the UK even if Dyson would have his customers think differently. Less cost to the user isn't quite right when the "Brush Control" models break their belts and a call out charge has to be paid for EVEN if under guarantee. I know that - Ive paid for it! Easier design? How can it be easier to clean under low furniture when the bin gets in the way? Or if the ball gets in the way? How can it be easy to clean with a hose that is permanently attached to a bent handle? Then there's the useless Bacteria Plus filters - total rubbish - dust forms on the rubber seals that barely keep the paper pleated cone filter in and cost replacements are more expensive than Sebo or Miele filters. Yes, Dysons are certainly premium priced but they're not as well built as Sebo or Miele, or latterly as "easy to use." As for "great performance," well, its all in the eye of the beholder / hand of the owner; the noise levels are far too noisy for me to cope with!
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #14 Jul 23, 2010 2:03 am |
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By the way, what happened with the "slim" Ball model that was on the market and also the mini Ball they were pushing? I don't think either went over well. I saw the slim-jim thing in the stores for a time and then it suddenly disappeared. I thought at first it might be passed off as a stick vac, which it was for all intent and purpose, but the price tag didn't help the cause. Sure of what they'll try to charge, I think Dyson would be better off introducing a digital motor in a full-size vacuum. There's more advantage. Shrink the motor and increase the dust capacity with space saved. Venson
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #15 Jul 23, 2010 7:00 am |
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By the way, what happened with the "slim" Ball model that was on the market and also the mini Ball they were pushing? I don't think either went over well. I saw the slim-jim thing in the stores for a time and then it suddenly disappeared. I thought at first it might be passed off as a stick vac, which it was for all intent and purpose, but the price tag didn't help the cause. Sure of what they'll try to charge, I think Dyson would be better off introducing a digital motor in a full-size vacuum. There's more advantage. Shrink the motor and increase the dust capacity with space saved. Venson
Hi Venson:
The DDM, as currently designed and produced, doesn't provide the umph that the conventional brush/armature motors have. That's the issue now for Sir James and his 500 engineers who are still at the drawing board on the DDM for full size vacuum applications. They've mastered the full size price with the DC22 motorhead and DDM for $799 just not the full size performance and features. It's the highest priced in the dyson line up. I've not seen a review of it yet by the industry experts and authorities who track and report on such things. Or missed it. From the dyson site: DC22 Motorhead$799.99Dyson DC22 Motorhead is a canister vacuum powered by the Dyson digital motor. 1/3 smaller than a full-size Dyson machine, but with no compromise on pick-up. Available at select retailers only.
Carmine D.
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Hertz
Joined: Jan 31, 2010
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Re: Dyson Digital Slim
Reply #16 Jul 24, 2010 2:05 am |
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Hi Venson: The DDM, as currently designed and produced, doesn't provide the umph that the conventional brush/armature motors have. That's the issue now for Sir James and his 500 engineers who are still at the drawing board on the DDM for full size vacuum applications. They've mastered the full size price with the DC22 motorhead and DDM for $799 just not the full size performance and features. It's the highest priced in the dyson line up. I've not seen a review of it yet by the industry experts and authorities who track and report on such things. Or missed it. From the dyson site: DC22 Motorhead$799.99Dyson DC22 Motorhead is a canister vacuum powered by the Dyson digital motor. 1/3 smaller than a full-size Dyson machine, but with no compromise on pick-up. Available at select retailers only.
Carmine D. Carmine, it offers MORE features and MORE performance - not less. You can variably adjust the suction power and the motor lets you know when the filter needs to be changed or if there is something wrong; also, *NO* carbon dust emissions (thus essentially a CARE-FREE (almost) HEPA filter), and the motor will lost a *LOOONG* time, unlike conventional motors *most, anyways*. Bias strikes again! :D
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