Evidently they're UK only, but they seem to make some good priced quality machines. They offer between 2-3 year warranties, and their flagship model - the most expensive cyclonic-like canister- has a wheel system like a Miele and has some really ingenious innovations to the cyclonic RUG NOZZEL. http://www.morphyrichards.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Product=71080 They also made a neat your-vacuum-powered wet/dry attachment: http://www.morphyrichards.co.uk/NewsArticle.aspx?Category=NC9&Article=NFC_04 What's the quality like on these machines? Evidently one person thinks their flagship model beats their Dyson in performance, and says it's well built next to a Dyson - which says a good amount. Any thoughts?

Sorry to burst your bubble. They are UK only but they are available in Europe and probably in the U.S under the EIO tag and also I"ve seen the MR products in the U.S under a different brand but it will come to me...

MR are to say the least, a crap brand. Their vacuums come bottom of the pile in terms of quality and ease of cleaning. They were once wholly British but now goods are made in China and are spread globally reaching many countries offering budget vacuum cleaners that were once held in esteem by old British brand, Goblin which MR took over a couple of years ago. Cyclonic filtration is the old type, mesh filter/paper pleated cone mix.
They did make a "neat" wet dry attachment. I have it and its okay but not the best; clears up water but there's no rubber squeegee on it, so it doesn't dry floors and my video of it is currently on you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDykfeQpFqQ

vacmanuk wrote:

Thanks vacmanuk for the reply. That's a shame; I HATE it when companies like this produce crap; it's insulting and annoying to have a market like vacuum cleaners flooded w/ crap. However, their newest model looks decent? Two year warranty, and some even have a three year warranty. For the price, they can't be that bad, are they? I mean, they seem to be better than all the Dirt Devils, Hoovers, and Bissells. Would you say so?

There's always the issue of choice and, individual to individual, many choices have to be made by way of what is affordable and realistically useful to desired purpose.  That in mind, many consumers merely regard a vacuum as machine to suck up stuff you dont to look at with and as long as they do that -- suck up stuff -- users are happy.  Many consumers still adhere to the same line of thinking I heard years ago, "What do I need a vacuum for.  I don't own a rug."  Cheap vacuums these days, due to low price, may sway that manner of thought currently.

On the other hand, no matter how much they may spend, there are also many people for whom a better-made vacuum is just a waste as they won't maintain them.  Manufacturers looking for steady cash flow love them I'm sure.

As long as there is economic inequality -- a thing that will always be with us -- there will be a market for "crap" goods.  We're not all living the same lives.  Be it "cheap", "crap", or "schlock", the terms cover not the fanciest or most utilitarian but the easily affordable.  Many independent vacuum cleaner stores are making a large part of their income from the sales of so-called disposable vacuums (vacuums that last a couple of years or so and that buyers don't suffer sticker shock from when time comes to replace them). 

Some of us will be going to Bloomingdale's and others to Wal-Mart.  There'll also be the guy who can easily afford a BMW and the other fellow whose best chance is a Chevrolet and, after him, the man who takes the bus.  That's called working with what you've got -- a thing becoming an art of great use to many these days.

The only way to get crap off the shelves is for the public to stop buying it.  They're not about to.  Buy what you like and can afford and if you can't always get the thing you'd like to have  -- don't feel bad.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hello Venson:

Insightful observations, thank you.  I highlighted 2 statementts in your post to pose my own observation not just for vacuums but vehicles and I'm sure other consumer products too.  The market in consumer products like vacuums [as a general rule] tends to emulate the best of the products in the industry.  Not the best and most expensive products falling in value to the worse.  [Of course there are exceptions which are a problem but I won't deal with the exception here]. 

With cars: In 2005, BMW, known for its fine autos, added a 4 year 40,000 miles with free maintenance at no cost to buyer [presumably] on all new vehicles sold.  A feature BMW still employs.  Lo and behold all the US car makers now have added a maintenance free no additional cost feature on their luxury branded line of vehicles.  Includes free liquids, filters, brakes, wipers, etc.  A good thing for the value minded car consumer regardless of budget.

With vacuums: In August 2005, dyson added its 5 year limited warranty and scrubbed its traditional 2 year limited warranty [except on handhelds].  Other vacuum manufacturers soon followed dyson with their own warranty of equal or better terms.  The less expensive vacuums with their features have gotten better through peer/competition pressure of the most expensive products/features of the industry makers.  The "crap" is IMO getting a dosage/injection of cream.  Which makes them [the crap] more desirable and popular for sale.  It behooves the brand makers to sell quality budget products in order to build brand loyalty among consumers for its higher priced products.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Also to say that it's unlikely that Dyson would have been one of the first to lead with a 5 year waranty, if it wasn't for the fact that they had a bad rep. (deserved or not) in the early days for product reliablity. Up until then, many retailers (at least in the UK) would have been more than happy to sell you an (often poor value) warranty as an add-on sale. Again, competition with the big D over the years can only benefit the consumer in the long run.

Venson wrote:

Very well said. MUCH appreciated insight and arguably factual conjectures. Have you ever been in the retail or repair business? What's your favorite vacuum out of curiosity. ?

MR vacs were good pre-war and after the war. But they went downhill in the 1990s. The ONLY vacuum that they seem to make well is a German made model that MR just won't take off the market and it is bagged. It also appears under the EIO branding in various forms. If I was to think about a brand that is comparable to Morphy Richards, then I'd say Dirt Devil when they were first starting out. MR vacs are humble, cheap offerings that aren't particularly well made except their motors are highly efficient and longer lasting.  I've used quite a few MR vacs as a student in dormitories throughout my life and although they're okay, the bags and filters are hard to find. Here's a collection of the German models and MR's uprights which you may recognize in the U.S






Im pretty sure that Euro Shark have had some of these models/of the cyclonic uprights.

Several big box retailers debutted a new range of Dirt Devil straight suction canns somewhat similar to the MR pictured.  These are not yet on the Dirt Devil web site.  They come in a variety of standard colors for household decor.  Retail for $70.

 Carmine D.

Here are two Shark uprights for example. The first one is a TTi/Dirt Devil we had in the U.K as the Vax Widetrack. Then there's the Shark bagged upright vacuum which is the same as the Morphy Richards bagged vacuum.
I had two of these models, "73300" in 1400 and 1500 watt variations. Never again! Both models suffered from breaking parts, the wheels kept coming off and the height dials would often snap off. MR were so scathed about this vacuum that they went ahead and replaced the floor head on later models to a flatter design with better wheels at the back.

Carmine - MR are not TTI owned - not yet - so whatever models they are bringing out in terms of canister design, I doubt they will match the TTI designs. Shark appear to be taking models from a host of other European brands not just Morphy Richards.

vacmanuk wrote:

But is MR in the UK subcontracting production of some of its vacuum models to the TTI Chinese run plant?  That's the question I have vacmanuk.  Not just for MR but other vacuum makers too. 

Carmine D.

Hertz wrote:

To be perfectly honest I'm probably more interested in the evolution of vacuum cleaners than anything else. For good or ill, it's certainly been interesting to follow the road from the late 50s up to now.  Consumer and manufacturing trends and what may lead them them have also been equally as interesting to observe and consider.

 I've always wanted to sell vacuums because I have a good understanding of they work and how they are best used but never got the opportunity.  That's not a negative but possibly a plus point for me because, along with a great deal of independent research, I learned a lot from the customer's side of the sales counter.  I see myself as pro consumer.

I'm curious about everything and can't wholeheartedly cite a single favorite vacuum.  I like any vacuum that is well thought out in regard to employment of air flow and suction concentration without power over-use, that's durable and that is convenient and easy to use.  I deliberately left out "enjoyable to use" since the beauty in the art of hosework is strictly in the eye of the person who's got to do it.

Venson

Or is going to do it ;) But yes, there is an "art" to housework, for sure. I REALLY enjoy vacuuming, but generally only with well made, well thought-out and designed vacuums similar to what you said. Do you have any Miele's, Sebo's, or Dyson's?

Hertz I think you have a problem with perhaps wondering what "well made," is. Is it, in your opinion according to pricing?

I only ask because one of my favourite vacuums to use was the old British made Vax canister. It is made with lightweight plastic but the design of it, as a tub vac with a 3 in 1 shampoo/wash function as well as dry dirt and wet suction procedure was one of the best innovations in the UK market in 1980. For all that it was made of lightweight plastic, it was a heavy old thing but quiet and it remained in our family for 23 years - without anything having to be replaced other than the filters on board and the dust bag. To me, that was one of the "well made," vacuums.

vacmanuk wrote:

The caliber of the plastic doesn't have so much to do with it as the LONGEVITY if used in accordance to the intended use, how long the motor lasts, and the quality design. A well MADE vacuum to me is build quality - though again, if the plastic LASTED for 23 years and didn't crack under normal use, then obviously it's a quality material, though of course design can go a long ways. So I guess the two factors are kind of related, however as a WHOLE I would say if the machine lasted - motor, housing, hinges, wheels, most components for a good 10 or more years, I would say it's a well made vacuum.

Hertz wrote:
So what models do you own that are 10 years old or more?

vacmanuk wrote:

A Kirby Heritage II, Kirby G4 (rebuilt by me and a buddy of mine for NINE hours straight! Bought it in good working condition w/ nearly all attachments for TWENTY FIVE dollars! From a young 14 year old (I believe was the age) kid who happens to be passionate about such products, as well) Electrolux Silverado rebuilt by me and me alone, and a FilterQueen D 31X. GORGEOUS products all of them, but alas you just can't beat the A.) Suction power, B.) Design, C.) Filtration, and D.) Useability of these newer *HIGH* end brands like Miele and Sebo. What about you my man? YOUR TURN! Haha.

Hertz wrote:
Put it this way, Hertz I own a few more products than you, namely Sebo's X1 Automatic at 15 years old. However this isn't about who has the most, this is about going down what you constitute as "well built," and from your 10 year old models, none of them are Electrolux, Miele or Sebo. So how can you jump to conclusions?

10 year old models I own (or more in some cases)

1. Hoover Junior 1346 1981 year
   
2. Hoover Junior U1104 1983.
3. Hoover Junior Deluxe 1981
4. Hoover Senior 652 1979
5. Vax canister 1987
6. Sebo X1 Automatic 1996

Models less than 10 years old:

1. Sebo K1 Komfort 2005
   
2. Miele S4210 2006
3. Miele S571 2006
4. Vax Quicklite V-045/ same as U.S Dirt Devil Dynamite 2006
5. Sebo Dart 2007
6. Sebo K3 Premium 2008
7. Sebo K3 Vulcano 2009
   
8. Sebo Felix 2007
9. Sebo X1.1 2010 (second hand bought in 2003, still runs on original drive belt)
   
10. Sebo X4 2010 (second hand bought in 2007, still runs on original drive belt)
    
11. Miele S381 2010
12. Vax Mach Air 2010

vacmanuk wrote:

MIELE'S ARE MADE TO LAST TWENTY YEARS. Quality. Sebo says on their website 10-15, QUALITY. So I'm not jumping to conclusions so much as knowing that the manufacturers DO build machines of such quality.

Hertz wrote:
Ah, so you're believing what the manufacturers say then?! Sorry but I feel in this case unless you own such a model for a lengthy amount of time you'll have little cause to support any vacuum cleaner bearing Miele or Sebo's name. Sorry Hertz, but you're dealing with a realistic buyer AND owner here!