Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Several people have commented that Oreck's aren't in general heavy duty vacuums.  So what carpet types are Oreck's most appropriate for?   I believe CR gave most of the Oreck's tested in the last several years scores of good to very good for cleaning medium pile carpeting.   

Carmine has mentioned the failure of a Dyson DC07 on wool carpeting. 

I would think that deep shag and berber carpeting would have special challenges different from medium pile carpeting.  

CarmineD wrote:

I used my DC07 to vacuum plush wool carpet in a home that I inherited.  The carpet was 40 years old.  The Dyson never faltered and the carpet received no damage.

No doubt the Oreck would sail over your carpet.  They are for surface cleaning only.  I have to admit that I was vacuuming very expensive carpet.  My DC07 may also have failed on a builder grade carpet.

HARDSELL wrote:

Look at the facts not the fiction.  After only 7 years yours was discontinued by dyson, tho you bailed out of it after only 3 and didn't buy a new dyson.  We know the reason.  You upgraded your carpets, 40 years is a bit seasoned even for my liking.  [Did the carpet maker/installer advise you that the rug warranty was void if you use a dyson like we were told by our home builder and his primary carpet contractor].  After 45 years, the same basic ORECK model is going strong and still certified [Gold, its highest seal of approval] by the Carpet and Rug Institute [unlike your fave brand].  I bought 3 more ORECKs just like it.  $150 for the ORECK versus $399 for a dyson.  Not a hardsell unless you are a hard head.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Turtle:

WRT carpet types and vacuums, if a home has a diverse mix of carpets and thicknesses, I prefer and recommend the height adjustment over self-floating.  If its wall to wall and all the same same, self-adjusting w/o adjustments would do the trick.  Having said that, I still like to adjust the vacuum height to my own liking rather than let the vacuum do it.  Or if primarily floor with carpeting compliments and smallish in size [1700 sq ft with 1000 floor and 700 carpet], like my home, definitely an ORECK.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

FACT:

During the 3 years that I owned a Dyson you preached doom and gloom for Dyson on every vacuum forum available.  In desperation to stay afloat Hoover introduced a new SKU every other month.  No improvements, just another model # (mostly).  With each introduction you told us how it that model would be the demise of Dyson.  I told you to get in the life boat before you sunk.  You refused and your ship sunk while I am afloat.  Dyson put a whooping on Hoover.  I was able to sell my DC07 while you had to gift the Hoovers to get them out of the way.  I did not buy another Dyson because I like variety.  Take note that I did not replace the DC07 with an electric broom.  Sorry, I meant Oreck.  Isn't it odd that you are now buying Oreck and not Hoover?  For Oreck's sake I hope that your support for them like it was for Hoover doesn't sink their boat.  They have had top take desperate measures just to stay afloat.  Now in big box stores and advertising low,low,low prices on local TV. 

As usual you can't get your imagined facts seperated from the truth.  I never upgraded any carpet in my home in the last 7 years.

The carpet that I referred to belonged to an 85 year old widow.  It was high quality and never abused so she had no justifiable reason to replace.  Unless she just wanted another look. 40 years is a long time for carpet.  So is 45 years for a vacuum that has not changed with the times.  45 years back carpet was more a luxury than a standard.  I am sure the Oreck cleaned fairly well on the linoleum back then. 

CarmineD wrote:

FACT:  You didn't answer my question. 

I always know when you're caught.  Your posts get historically fictional and more angry.  Here's the real history.  You were gifted a new dyson DC07, actually a refurb.  You say [to look good] you bought it from BEST BUY and paid an extra $49 for the ESP.  Must really have been impressed with the quality of dyson DC07 and planned to keep it awhile.  One would think since you paid an extra $50. Tried it out for a couple of years on 40 year old carpet.  Nothing changed.  Carpet still looked raggedy.  So you splurged.  You upgraded the worn rug areas with new floors.  Buy a new amount of floors and scrub the raggedy carpet.  Wouldn't you want the best vacuum to protect your investment?  Yes, of course, so what do you do?  You sell your new dyson with the ESP after the rug installer says the rugs have years worth of dirt in it, in the backing, and under.  What do you buy?  A Royal Emminence upright with tools on board for $299 from an indy.  Consumer Reports says the Royal Emminence is mediocre on carpets, just like a dyson DC07 you sold.  What do you do now?  You buy a new Kirby Sentria and alternate vacuuming between both the Kirby and Royal for awhile.  Then you decide ehh, I have to try something else.  In January [or thereabouts] of this year you buy and use [still supposedly] a HOOVER bagged Platinum lightweight.  Like the others, you use it once a week, normally.  It's picking up more dirt than ALL the others {and now you have 250 less sq feet of rug].  Well, dah, of course.  It's a HOOVER with WT technology for $299.  Excellent choice but a full size HOOVER would do the job much quicker.  Even a HOOVER TEMPO w/o WT tech for $85 would be great.  And, you would have saved money on the original purchase and the cost of bags in the future.  Doesn't have to be a hardsell.  You just have to use your head.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

FACT:  You are the one who is caught twisting the truth as always.  Your quote that I responded to was prior to your editing the post. Therefore there was no question to answer.  My only anger is with your dishonesty, though I have come to expect it.

I already told you how I won a brand new DC07 from the Oreck salesman.  Actually the ESP was more like $30.  That is hard to pass up when all I had to do was take the vac in and get a brand new replacement if mine failed.  Before you spout off that was the way the ESP worked back then. 

I used it once on the 40 year old carpet to prep it for sale of the home that was inherited (wasn't my residence).  Did you miss that in your haste to waste all of our time?

The carpet that I replaced in my home with wood was exceptionally clean to the padding.  Installer claimed he had never seen carpet as dirt free. 

I did want the best vacuum.  That elimanated Oreck.  Dyson wasn't available when I had my carpet installed.  My carpet is a higher grade than builder grade so I wasn't concerned with damage from the Dyson.  I have read reports of Hoovers damaging carpet so I am cautious with the Platinum. I would really be concerned with that cheapo Hoover like you use. 

How quickly you forget.  The Platinum was $399 in January.

If your lies stretched your anatomy other than your nose you could lay off Viagra entirely.

HARDSELL wrote:

Do you speak from personal experience my friend?

BTW, I am not the least bit surprised that when push comes to shove you chose HOOVER with WT technology over all others.  I have said here for years and years, thanks to SEVERUS' coining of the expression, that the HOOVER WT is the gold standard of rug cleaning.  Coincidently, so has Consumer Reports said so on many occasions and this particular model you bought was rated number 2 in the upright lineup by CR.  Ironic isn't it.  Two icons, like them or not, that you drudge here constantly.  BUT in the final analysis you end up following and using both.  What's next in the HS household:  An ORECK?

You got taken on the price: $399.  They're being sold pervasively at half that price now.  In fact, were sold at $299 by BEST BUY as early as June of 2009 when the HOOVER bagged platinum lightweight and companion compact canister first launched.  Obviously in direct competition to ORECK.  In marketing it's called follow the leader.

HAVE A HAPPY AND HEALTHY MEMORIAL DAY.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:
For all that is going on here in terms of the conversation and slightly off topic, I'd like to say BAGLESS is A BOON when new carpets are installed. We went through 9 of the 13 litre fill capacity Oreck XL bags when we got our new thick woollen carpets installed right through the entire house. Carmine - you know already of the cost of Oreck bags in the UK! Then I purchased the Dirt Devil Dynammite model (Vax V-045 in the UK) and five empties per day of its tiny dirt cup ensured no more wasted dust bags. When I moved to my flat in the city where the landlord kindly put new thick short looped pile carpeting down I went through a box of bags with my Sebo Felix in two months; my mother would not PART with the Dirt Devil despite its awful loud noise. It made sense in that moment to keep the bagless upright; I still have it whenever we get new rugs for example.

At least the Oreck and Dyson have one thing in common; auto adjusting heads.

vacmanuk wrote:

Point very well made.....gotta say i have to agree with you....even though i dislike bagless.

Wool ......for the most part is a lux item here in the south where red clay dirt is the norm and will destroy even the cheapest contractor grade carpets. When the carpets at the courthouses got replaced ..i will say i or we did go through alot of bags....a bagless would have been nice. but in the end a bag is better...just my view,

The dynamites were actually good....powerful but that cone filter was the pits....you gotta agree on that. i tried a dacron filter for a shop vac over them and it made a world of diff, a bojack soloution indeed but one that worked....in general do you use the ddvl from time to time and if so areyou still happy with its long term use.

turtle

HARDSELL wrote:

It didn't at that time, now or ever.  Read the ESP brochure you got from BEST BUY if you still have it.  

This is a myth [you bought into] that was started on several vacuum Forums and perpetrated by a few pro-dyson posters years ago.  As near as I can tell, the sole purpose was to increase BEST BUY's revenue stream by pushing extra cost ESP for dyson vacuums when dyson's warranty was 2 years and not 5.  The issue went away on August 15, 2006.  Can you guess why? 

The BEST BUY ESP contract states that the ESP ALWAYS reverts first to the manufacturer's warranty if still under the product's original warranty period.  If the product is past the maker's warranty, the ESP says it will repair the product fault for the period of the extended warranty.  If the fault can't be repaired, then it will replace with an item/product of the same value.  It doesn't guarantee a new product replacement with the same brand and model.  BEST BUY determines what the product replacement is and will be, not the customer.  

Product replacement plans, which is what you describe, is a seperate and distinct animal from an ESP [extended service plan].  To my knowledge no retailers of dyson vacuums offer replacement plans.  That was true for the 2 and 5 year warranty periods.

On a similar note, Consumer Reports discourages ESP for most products including vacuums as a waste of money.  I agree. 

Carmine D.