Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The famous actor says a combination centrifuge and vacuum cleaner is the answer to the gulf dilemma.  Separates and removes 99 percent of the oil from the water and releases the clean/filtered water back into the gulf.  Wonder if BP, EPA, DHS, Army Corps of Engineers and President Obama will agree and proceed with his suggestion.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

Sounds like a cool idea.  Have we had the technology in place all along? 

Venson

Venson wrote:

Yes, Venson.  I didn't hear/see the story and coverage.  It was passed along to me because of the "vacuum" connection.  What came to my mind is the application for platelets and plasm with blood donations.  If you are familiar with these machines it takes about 20-30 minutes maybe more to separate one unit/pint of platelets from a donopr's blood and return the blood plasm back to the donor.  The equipment for doing this, even on a small scale like a pint, is expensive.  I opine the same is true with oil and water.  Haven't heard and read anymore about this solution but suspect as BP fumbles in the gulf it we will.

Carmine D.

This looks like a simple cleanup solution. 

http://www.wimp.com/solutionoil/

HARDSELL wrote:

Appears to be a couple of ways to tackle and solve the problems in the gulf.  Just needs leadership to make it happen. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hi Hardsell,

It certainly is a very practical idea as well as natural and simple.  Guess the big time oil engineers know nothing about what can do waht.  Nonetheless, do you know if we have enough of a supply of hay around to match the volume of the spill?  I ask that because farming of the practical kind is a skill that economics and big business discourages as of late.  The next question would be how to safely dispose of all the collected hay and/or extract  the crude oil adhering to it.

However, if the Costner device is what it's claimed to be I am assuming there's a possibility to make everyone happy in easier fashion.  If it can actually suck up a mix of sea water and crude oil and then spit out sea water that's 97 percent clean, the spill gets cleaned up and the recovered crude oil could be sent to refineries for processing and later sale.  That recouped income might defray the cost of the clean up somewhat though I don't feel BP deserves it.

Carmine, my apologies. I didn't mean to split this thread but somehow did.

Venson

Hi Venson:

No problem on the threads. 

The oil vacuum appears to be a current and future fix for big time oil spills and off shore drilling.  The hay method is perhaps a one time cure for smallish spills or useful for oil coming up on shore where labor can be used to sop up the oil and gather the dirty oil filled hay for disposal.  If this president is serious about off shore drilling to decrease our dependence on foreign oil AND appease the left wing eco-phobes like VP Gore on the environment, then the oil vacuum technology is the best available way to go.  It should be standard operating procedure to have the technology on all oil rigs [or close by] to attack spills before they ruin the natural resources if a rig blows.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

The hay method is a little far fetched for a job of this magnitude.  Perhaps the hay could be used offshore on a small scale to sop up any slop missed by the vac.  The oil should not be allowed to get to shore for laborers to dispose of.  Once in the soil the damage is done.  Better get it up before all of the global warming predicted by Gore.  Hot oil will spread more rapidly.

Having the vacuum on the rig is not so good.  It would end up submerged as did the rig.

Dyson seems the best vacuum to use for this job. 

HARDSELL wrote:

I agree with all.  Since a dyson is barely a fair to middlin vacuum for picking up dirt perhaps it will fare better with oil in water.  Just think of the PR it would muster.  British vacuum inventor James Dyson provides a task force of his dyson vacuums to bail out British Petroleum in the Mexico Gulf.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Line the shore with Dyson bladeless fans and blow the oil back out to sea.  Then plug the spewing hole with old Hoover Z's. 

HARDSELL wrote:

I'd forego the money on the dyson fans and use the oil vacuums instead for the shore oil.  Probably cost about the same: $23 MILLION. 

Carmine D.

B-P has ordered over 30 of Kevin Costner's vacuum/centrifuge devices to clean up the Gulf oil poluted waters.  With more purchases planned so claimed.  The total vacuum devices can purify over 200,000 gallons of oil filled water per day.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Costner donates a portion of the sales proceeds for the devices to the Gulf victims.

Carmine D.

Lets see how sotero and his handlers[nwo] spin this into a new carbon tax worldwide.

Get out while you still can.................

CarmineD wrote:

Thanks for the heads-up Carmine. Good news I guess.  I just wish the powers that be hadn't been so long in following through.

Venson

Venson wrote:

It's a mixed bag [no pun intended].  The oil has differing viscosity from liquid to solid with all degrees in between.  When Costner appeared before Congress and tested the devices the results were mixed.  I suspect the B-P buy is as much for show, that it is trying to do everything possible to clean up the Gulf water, as for the anticipated and hopeful results. 

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

MOLE:  You were right on the money.  He did.  Missed the mark as usual.  More pie in the sky dreamer than hands on the Gulf.    Just throw money at the problem and all will be better.  No plan to make it so.  It will just happen.  And he's criticizing BP?  Go figure.

The irony is that the only political figure on the scene now who has experience hands on experience with the oil companies is Sexy Sarah P.  She lost, thanks to McCain and Barack.  Maybe the Obama Admin can appoint her/hire as a consultant to deal with the Gulf Coast issues/dilemma and then the Prez can do what he likes to do best: Play golf, not Gulf.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Palin??? ...Thankfully NOT!.... "Drill Baby Drill!" is not the basis of a sound "Energy Policy" LOL

Where is the discussion of vacuum cleaners in this thread?

Mike W.
Moderator

Mike_W wrote:

Maybe you can find what your looking for if you try re-reading the whole thread. You can miss a lot if you don't.

Stephen;

I do know the topic of this thread.  If it is about vacuum cleaners, it is "The famous actor says a combination centrifuge and vacuum cleaner......."  Discuss this vacuum and not how good/bad the President is, how someone feels about Sarah Palin, Fords, Toyotas, Religion, sexuality, etc.

Keep the discussion on vacuum cleaners,  because that is what this forum is about.  Things can/do happen for the worse, so it is important that we try to keep in one direction.

My post is not up for discussion, but is to let you know to keep on topic.

Mike W.
Moderator

Mike_W wrote:

Mike W.

As the moderator, what do you think about an underwater vacuum[s] that can collect the spewing oil.  Seems if a non-vacuum man like Kevin Costner can invent a vacuum for above water clean up of oil, the US government, oil Corps and a few vacuum companies, if they put their heads together, can vacuum up that oil underwater.  What do you think Mike?  Any opinion on the vacuums to use for this and the procedures needed?

Carmine D.

3 of Costner's vacuums have been deployed to the Gulf and working well.  About 30 more to come.

On capping the well head, BP says the latest is a cap head that is forced over the gusher with a vacuum seal that will prevent blowback/blowoff.  It appears to work similar to the rubber motor bonnet gasket/halo on the old lux 30 motors.  Not rocket science. 

There is no doubt that all can do better to cap the well head and extract the oil from the water a mile under water.  No one cares except the locals and they don't have access and wherewithal to the means and money to do the job.  Sad.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

Happy Papa's Day.  Are there any online images of Costner's vacuum?  I've been looking everywhere but don't seem to find any. 

More than just the locals should care as there is such a thing as fallout and stuff like this is definitely not guaranteed to stay in one place.  However, I guess the fallout factor was in mind when BP was "convinced" to put the 20 billion in escrow.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Thank you, Sir.

If i find a good photo, I'll post.  I've seen the vacuums in test stage and in usage.  They're enclosed in open framed pipe cylinders and located on top of the vessals with inbound and outbound hoses for the oil/water collected and cleaned.  Quite simple in design and function, tho Costner spent millions to develop.  The unused/new vacuums are stored in Las vegas.

$20 Billion is the BP profit for each of the last 3 years of operation.  Nice round figure.  But no doubt will be more when all is over.

Carmine D.

The latest on COSTNER'S clean up machine in the Gulf.  A glimmer of hope for thr future.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2851

Carmine D.

First a water vacuum now a sand vacuum.  About the size of a 5 ton cab and trailer truck. It vacuums up the contaminated sand, cleans and filters out the oil, and returns the clean sand to the shores and beaches. 

Carmine D.

Hi,

If we are to keep on going about big-time digging for oil we need all the ideas we can come up with in case of new spills and/or accidents.

Per the following article from Science Daily, students of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology have put their thinking caps on. They just may be going to the bank with the idea as well.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101111101408.htm

Their "spill" vacuum is designed to first blow bark onto an oil spill and then vacuum it up. It's reported to be quite effective.

Venson